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alva set-up
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On 8/5/2005
Buddy Rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
the big thing is this. Are you wanting to ride the alva and have a total blast riding an old retro style board with anything that looks and feels good on it? Or are you wanting to set-up nearly as period correct as possible and ride it.
its beats the subject to death. whatever you want will most likely work, especially if you gear it to a narrower deck. just try to get your outside dimensions in the 7"-8" range and you will be pleased with its ride and appearance. the wider the wheel, the better and more authentic the board will look and ride.
just a note, mine alva reissue actually measured right shy of 7 3/4 wide.
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wheels for the Alva
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On 8/5/2005
scott
wrote in from
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Hey, I have an old set NOS Kryptonics SLammers I may use, but, I also have a set of bulldog conical wheels I may try...I have tracker rts/rtx 106mm that seem to fit the board great, overall width is about 7.4inches.
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Conicals
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On 8/4/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, Buddy, they did eventually round off the inner edge of the Sims Comp II, the Mini Comp and, of course, conical Snakes...but not the Comps in either the white letter or later RL versions.
Trucks? What they said...depends on your truck/wheel combo and the width of the deck.
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alva board
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On 8/4/2005
buddy rawls
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
I dont know if I agree with that. I myself never saw a conical road rider, sims comp or powerflex. the cambrias are just about as close as you can get to these old wheels.
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Scott's Alva reissue
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On 8/4/2005
kaspian
wrote in from
United States
(65.99.nnn.nnn)
I like the Bulldogs Shogo Kubos, which are fat and offset and come in a variety of durometers. Solidskate seems to have a good supply right now. I was actually thinking of ordering some extras in case these go out of production.
Bulldogs in general would be more visually compatible with an oldschool reissue than would 3dm wheels, I think. If that's an issue.
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8" alva reissue
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On 8/4/2005
Buddy Rawls
wrote in from
United States
(128.158.nnn.nnn)
full-tracks and 3DM cambrias, or mid-tracks and abec11 flashbacks, or an 8" axle truck with a modern narrower centerset wheel.
what sort of wheels were you going to put on it? that may make it easier to decide on the truck width.
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Scott's Alva Reissue
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On 8/3/2005 Some Guy from Oregon that should log off and go to bed
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Scott, Yes, if you're talking about the 10" wide re-issue, that's way too narrow. What you want is a 4" to 4.5" hanger, maybe 5" max for authenticity (I don't think Tracker is re-issuing those but they do have the new versions of those trucks like the RT-S and RT-X and Darts(and maybe something else?), check out www.trackertrucks.com .
If you're talking about the re-issue that's closer to 8" plus or minus, then the Tracker Mid-Track is just right.
Here's the Key: "Back then" wheels in general where wider and had the bearings offset toward the inner face of the wheels. The best modern solution would be to get those crazy wide wheels from Bulldog Skates which I think is www.bulldogskates.com or try www.daddiesboardshop.com to see if they have any, they used to have them. One last resort wouuld be to get some black 90a(or whatever their hardest color is now) 3DM Avalons, and put them on a lathe and re-shape them to look like old wide wheels. Good Luck- Paul
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Seismic Sorta Stuff-Responses
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On 8/3/2005
Paul Howard
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey, I've been gone a few days. Let's See-
1)Grippins on my MMW 8mm Seismic 100mm hanger: Nope, Nix, Nada. They don't work unless a LOT of spacers are used barely leaving room for the axle nuts(and maybe not then either). If Walgren says they fit, then they probably do fit. I likely have one of the first ones that did'nt have as much material lathed off of it. Otherwise it's a great truck, nice and grippy if used in back with the 30 degree baseplate. I generally only use that truck on courses that I prefer Manxs, Avalons, Stingers, Cambrias on so it's largely a non-issue for me to not use Grippins with that truck.
Maybe I'll try a home-alteration like STEVE IN AZ did. I've already done other alterations/fix-its on other trucks. If anyone thinks they want to try any truck remodeling, just think about it a LOT before you do whatever you do and measure everything repeatedly but don't be afraid to do it. I learned a lot from Walgren, Fluitt, Wax, and L&M Welding & Machining and just doing it myself.
2)Grippins on my MMW 8mm Seismic 130 hanger: Works like a Charm. No Problemo. Actually it's my preferred wheel on that hanger width for big hybrid and G/S, and Super G.
3)PAUL G- I don't quite think that putting a 5 degree pos wedge on a front Seismic makes it turn any slower, it just makes it so the geometry of the kingpin and springs makes it harder to turn, I do think it is making it turn sharper. I have heard of parallel stancers who ride in a front-truck-heavy method liking that aspect about it, I have also met a few who used more than 5 degrees on occasion. I am not one of them so I don't get what they get out of it.
4)PAUL G- Roll point: That is my term for thinking about where the hanger is actaully pivoting and I think about how far away from my foot that point is. If the roll point is close to your foot, you can tip the deck with more localized ankle pivoting, if the roll point is farther, it takes some "sweep and sway" of the foot supplied by the knee and hip to get the board to tip and roll over the "roll point" of the truck. Actually there is a "roll line" or axis on which the truck pivots and this is directly related to the above as well. Peter VerDone and Walgren have good explanations for this as well.
If you think about a steeply Pos-wedged RT-X under your front foot, the pivot point is still fairly close to the ball of your front foot. If you have a steeply Neg-wedged RT-S/offset/TTC/Splitfire,etc then the pivot is farther away from the ball of your back foot. This is one of several geometric factors which makes a setup turny in the front and stable and resist fishtailing speedwobbles in the back(not to mention the front just plain turns more and the back just plain turns less, that is the most obvious).
Read HERBN's and STEVE IN AZ's 8-3-05 posting about Seismics and Randalls, it's a good explanation for the "harder to turn with more pos wedgeing" phenomenon.
BUSHINGS!!!!Also, try replacing your stock kingpins with a longer 3/8" grade 8 bolt and using full height bushings(front especially and rear also) in different combinations. The extra bushing thickness will allow for more swing in the hanger and manuverability. Get something like the Khiro full height cone shaped aluminum or brass insert top bushings and full height barrell bottom bushings in a bunch of hardnesses, depending on your weight. Also, get some extra barrel bushings, put them on a 3/8" wood dowel, and cut them cicumferentially with a thin bladed very sharp knive(razor blade, X-acto, steak knife, paring knife, etc)into 1/4ths or 1/3rds in thickness giving you 3 or 4 thin doughnut rings from each bushing. Add these in the front truck with the top or bottom bushing or both. Just use the same color-coded bushing and add-on ring. This will really give you a turny front end with very similar characteristics to using Tracker Stimulator Bushings(......a moment of silence please). This last step of adding the bushing rings is pretty much useful only for flatland T/S and regular sloped T/S if your trucks aren't turning enough to make the course. Its pretty much overkill for everything else.
5) STEVE IN AZ- Yes, bushings are a BIG factor, I definately like the extended kingpin and full height top and bottom bushing scenario. It allows more swing of the hanger, better pre-loading of the bushings for stability and yet still allowing more swing. I'll be curious to read your G/S results with the Seismic in the rear.
OK, enough, I need to go home and go to bed-Schlater, Paul
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alva reissue
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On 8/3/2005
scott
wrote in from
(72.224.nnn.nnn)
I am looking for trucks for my alva reissue deck...I am new to the ol school smaller decks and have been told to stick with tracker mid tracks...any other suggestions? they just seem soooo narrow. Would moving one step up in width kill the way the board rides? please email me if you personally rode one with another set up. thanks
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Seismic Wedging
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On 8/3/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
herbn's got a point, and I think this has alot to do with Paul H's not liking the Seismic for the front truck.
By putting the truck at any significant angle OVER 50* (45* plus wedge), you're working more against the kingpin than actually weighting the springs.
I've also found that front truck POSITION makes a big difference, too. If you like your front foot right OVER the front truck (ala Kenny M. and others), than the effect is even more pronounced than if your front foot is behind the truck bolts. Still, I agree that a mild wedge works BEST of Seismics as front trucks.
I've also found this to be true of my Randal-type kingpin F.truck: The 50* baseplate run flat is FINE, but any attempt to wedge it seems to "stiffen" the feel instead of loosening it up.
Having a Seismic for the rear has the exact OPPOSITE affect, where more of your weight is being pushed directly onto the springs with less of a bind from the kingpin angle. Add to this the benefit of running harder/tighter bushings on the rear truck for slalom, the need for stiffer rear springs is evident.
Pauliwog: My riding the two Hybrid/GS set-ups has confirmed BOTH of these points...and I've become to appreciate the feel of a well-tuned (bushings & wedges) front RTX or Indy. Now I just gotta get out to a good hill and see how the R. Seismic handles.
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pos wedge on a seismic
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On 8/3/2005 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
by wedging a seismic you change the leverage on the springs, if you were used to having the tension adjusted tight(tension on springs is not nearly as adjustable as regular bushings), then when you added a pos wedge you could loosen the preload. There is a bit of mechanical binding on seismics that isn't as noticable on reglar trucks because with the sloopiness of the pivot the truck moves more through the kingpin angle and twists the pivot off axis, when the wedges are very extreme, like nearly vertical(+15-20 degrees).
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geezer-x : PLEASE contact me
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On 8/2/2005
Mile High Mark
wrote in from
United States
(69.15.nnn.nnn)
I have some wider Seismics that I need hopped up. PLEASE contact me at your convenience.
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Wedging front Seismics
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On 8/2/2005
paul g
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
Paul Howard wrote:
"Seismic in Front: It seems I could only ever put 5degrees pos wedge on front
with a Seismic then it would get harder to turn and I could
never get it to feel good in front, it has a roll point
farther away from my front foot and the deck. But, parallel
riders seem to like that feel more than surf stancers. This
was always with the steeper 45degree baseplate."
PH:
Are you saying any positive wedging over 5 degrees of the 45 degree Seiesmics making the front harder to turn and is it safe to say turn slower?
Plus what to you mean by roll point?
I have a lot to learn about "dialing in" my equipment and need of all the help I can get.
PG
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Where there's a will.........
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On 7/31/2005
T.O.
wrote in from
United States
(12.148.nnn.nnn)
there's a way...
Thanks Steve! I really had it my mind that alot more material would have to be
shed... another winter project awaits....
although I'd like to get a geezered hanger also...
An 8mm axle would be nice.
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Steve's Seismic Hack shop
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On 7/31/2005 Not as nice as Geezer's
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
TO: He're the pix. This is the side shot of what had to be ground away in order to accommodate the Grippins inset. I didn't want to get too carried away, so I still use a speedring on the inside. Geezer's is definitely nicer, but this only cost me a little wear on the old 4.5" grinder.
In these next pix, you can also see where I took a little off of the pivot area of the hanger and honed it nice & flat. This way I can tighten the kingpin all the way down and have NO hanger binding whatsoever with the absolute minimum amount of play. They turn smooth and accurate, and I never have to worry about the kingpin getting loose.
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revenge
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On 7/31/2005 hc
wrote in from
United States
(67.121.nnn.nnn)
another torsion truck?
http://www.revengetrucks.com/
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Seismics which accept Grippins
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On 7/29/2005
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(68.239.nnn.nnn)
The MMW 8mm precision axle Seismics in 100 and 130mm work with All wheels from 3DM, Abec 11, and Manx. The 90mm ones will clear Grippins if you throw on a couple speed rings, although we hate to resort to using speedrings...
See Seismic Skate for availability
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Seismics which accept Grippins
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On 7/29/2005
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(68.239.nnn.nnn)
The MMW 8mm precision axle Seismics in 100 and 130mm work with All wheels from 3DM, Abec 11, and Manx. The 90mm ones will clear Gripping is you throw on a couple speed rings, although we hate to resort to using speedrings...
See Seismic Skate for availability
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Have blow torch... will travel...
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On 7/28/2005
Jerry Rig
wrote in from
United States
(12.148.nnn.nnn)
Steve, I'm guessin this will void the warranty huh.....
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Grippin' Fittin' Seismic Whittlin'
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On 7/28/2005 Th'Whittler
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Yo, TOles... I'll try to post some pix this weekend of the different set-ups AND those, um, 'gently massaged' 105's.
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Steve's Grippin fittin seismics.......
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On 7/28/2005
T.O.
wrote in from
United States
(12.148.nnn.nnn)
Got a pic of your wittling job?
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Seismic
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On 7/28/2005
Fabio
wrote in from
United States
(68.142.nnn.nnn)
Hello everybody:
I got a new skateboard make by Subsonic skateboard very good board and I put
the seismic 155mm. Heyyyyyyyy those trucks are incredible
I can’t describe the filing but is like a surf board, the turns are perfect
At any speed, it just make you go faster on the turns because of the
Springs, they work amazing you can fill it by the first time that you ride it,
This is a new generation of trucks. For downhill are good to I went with my friends to 14 floors parking garage (we don't have hills here in Miami) and those trucks did everything that the best Randall will do…………..Hey ,I just improve a lot with these trucks in a few days . I have them all lose and the performance is the best. Some times I impress myself on the corners, there is no slow down any more, just turnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn as fast as you can ……
I recommend those trucks to everybody
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trucks
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On 7/28/2005
Austin
wrote in from
United States
(68.103.nnn.nnn)
venchers or indapedent
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Seismic F/R experiment
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On 7/27/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
10-4 that, Paul.
I'm pretty close to those Hybrid specs on the set-ups running 20.25" w/B.
I can also run Grippins (88/84a combo) on both of them as well, which narrows the footprint a bit and gives a tighter feel.
I'm also going to try the whole Seismic F/R thing on two TS decks that are not similar, and we'll see what kind of trouble I can get into there. All of my Seismics (including the 105's) have been modifed to accept Grippins with no problem.
Thanks for the data! Now I just gotta find the time to ride. Have a gas at your local ride/race up there in Boeing town.
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Trackers and Seismics
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On 7/27/2005 Paul Howard
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
STEVE IN AZ- Here's my personal preference as far as pos and neg wedging:
RT-X in Front : TIGHT AND HYBRID- 15degrees pos wedge
GIANT- 5-10degrees pos wedge depending on how fast
the course is -it's a speed wobble issue. This is using the
130mm width 8mm conversion from AsphaltPlayground.
Seismic in Front: It seems I could only ever put 5degrees pos wedge on front
with a Seismic then it would get harder to turn and I could
never get it to feel good in front, it has a roll point
farther away from my front foot and the deck. But, parallel
riders seem to like that feel more than surf stancers. This
was always with the steeper 45degree baseplate.
RT-S in back: TIGHT AND HYBRID- 10-15degrees neg wedge
GIANTt- 15degrees neg wedge, maybe more if needed at higher speed.
Seismic in Back: TIGHT- I don't use one very much for this
application but I alternate between the 30degree baseplate
pos wedged 5-7degrees or the 45degree baseplate neg wedged 5-7
degrees. I typically only use the Seismic on the back if the
course is so tight I will only use Avalons, Cambrias or
Stingers since it's a 100mm MMW 8mm hanger/axle and Grippins
won't fit.
HYBRID- I use the 30degree baseplate flat with maybe 1/8" or
1/4" risers, whatever I need for clearance. Same thing, I use
only if I know I won't be wanting Grippins for the same non-
fit reason,
GIANT- I now use a 130mm 8mm MMW converted hanger with the
30degree hanger almost exclusively for G/S, and mostly run it
flat but if the hill is fast enough, I may put 5-7 degrees neg
wedge on it(it's got to be over 35 mph before I'll even feel
I want that). This is always with an AP 8mm converted RT-X
130mm in front. Sometimes I use this for big hybrid courses as
well.
As much as I like the 130mm Seismic in back for the big fast
courses, I almost always use an AP first-run Splitfire in back
for T/S and Hybrid.
Does that help or just add confusion? Adios- Paul
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