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On 6/9/2003
david
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scott, whats your web-site?
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On 6/9/2003
Mark
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My first longboard will probably arrive sometime this week. I'm planning on using my longboard for cruising around my (fairly hilly) neighbourhood and just getting from point A to B. With this in mind, I'm trying to pick up pumping.
Using the video on Chris Chapput's site (www.chrischaput.com/slalom/) as a starting point, I'd like to discuss pumping technique.
The main thing that strikes me about Chris' technique is how much he uses his arms. It's very similar to speed-skating (on ice). It also looks pretty strenuous. Not at all like what I imagined, or what I've been practising.
Personally my stance is much less forward facing, and I just use my arms to kind of lead into the turns. Most of my (pretty wimpy) power comes from trying to really bend my knees as I pass over my center-line (ie. I stay pretty low).
I'm wondering what works for everybody else. Compared to Chris, what do you do differently?
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On 6/8/2003 Scott
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The only advice I can give you is the more you do it, the more skill you get.
So basicly Just keep riding and the more you do it the better you will get
and David and HC will you guys answer about us putting links to eachothers site?
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On 6/7/2003 Brock
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I have just started longboarding. I have gone down a few little hills. I get going fast fast. I was wondering how i can feel more comfortable going at higher speeds
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On 6/7/2003 hc
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e-rock, what kind of trucks you running? loose? it helps to have trucks that turn.
anyways, i still recommend a short board for beginners to sliding.
anthony, thx for clearing that up.
your friend was buttboarding, another activity which you don't want to do around intersection, driveways, etc.
speaking of 'real tv', i only remember seeing one longboarding clip.
2 longboarder, in their usual street attire, were 'bombing', their chase car was filming and following way too close, one guy footbraked and supermaned and proceed to almost get ran over by the chase car.
yeah, i had a good laugh... not
hc
geocities.com/sk8sanjose
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On 6/7/2003 Scott
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You can slide at any speed, I have a friend who does 180 slides at like 5mph. You can slide on any hill any speed, the speed and steepness of the hill provides how far you go
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On 6/7/2003
e-rock
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this has probably all been gone over in here before, so don't snap at me please. I have a couple sliding questions. I'm riding a 46" pintail w/ 70mm/78a wheels and i have 60mm/98a wheels which i'm trying sliding with. I can't seem to get my board to slide, but i kind of expected that because i'm only trying it on a prety small hill. my question is how big of a hill should I be trying sliding on and how fast should i be going. i realise you can slide on practically flat ground, but i've never done it before. also, can you slide on a pintail or are they just too big.
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On 6/6/2003
Anthony
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hc, if you're talking about my post regarding sliding around cars and filming, I was being quite sarcastic.
Read back a few more posts. The topic was sliding vs. footbraking as a means to stop. I encourage people to footbrake, NOT slide when around vehicular and pedestrian traffic.
My friend Joe D. got hit by a car while riding down the street sitting on his board. A car came out and didn't see him as he was too low. It hit him and dragged him about 75 feet. He couldn't see them and they couldn't see him.
Sliding in traffic provides the same set of circumstances. Sliding is another move in one's repertoire, but footbraking is survival.
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On 6/6/2003 hc
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anthony, i hope no one takes you seriously regarding performing sliding stunts around moving cars. Downhill sliding doesn't need that kind of cheap publicity.
Besides, i rather see guys eat s#@! on rails than someone slide underneath a car...
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On 6/6/2003 Scott
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David - Its cool, thats how i started
Ya im gonna put lots of videos on. Do you wanna make links to eachothers site...you dont have to
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On 6/6/2003
david
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sorry had to take my video off my site, it was eating way to much bandwidth. scott, so are you says its no a 360 because i don't rotate faster? hey i'm still learning..... :-) whatever it is, its still fun
scott, are you gonn post some videos?
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On 6/6/2003 Scott
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HC - they are not 360 slides, he is doing heel to toeside but he is not doing a clean rotation so it doesnt count. He is doing 2 180s just to different sides
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On 6/5/2003 hc
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david, just saw you clip, very nice, looks like you being practicing. the short board makes everything clean and quick.
scott, those are definitely 360's, david is doing heelside to toeside. you can do toe to heel also. (you can see this in the powell videos)
the supaflex 360 is different in that it's two toeside 180's where the weight is all on the front.
david, those toeside pendulums looks nice too, gotta work on mine.
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On 6/5/2003
david
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hey anthony, where in washington are you talking about? i've been trying to find nice hills in this area(south sound) nothing like back home, old tunnel road seems legendary
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On 6/5/2003 Scott
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Rene - As soon as i can I am moving out to BC its gonna be sweet.
Im putting videos up soon so you can see what im doing. I cant afford new wheels they are 43mm now and used to be 60mm
s#@! sucks huh?
Check my site in a bit, there will be some sick videos. Ill let you guys no when they are on
peace
Oh ya, If anyone wants to send me wheels, be my guest
hahaha
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On 6/4/2003
R.ene
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Hi scotty,
Well, I'm from Canada, actually--the land of Polite Folks and Many Free Skateparks and Very Large Hills, also known as British Columbia. Seriously, Vancouver is probably the most underrated skate mecca in North America, except for the fact the world-class skateparks are all outdoors and subject to frequent rain. It really is skateboard heaven. There are hills in White Rock that would crinkle the hair on the most seasoned downhiller's balls (or ovaries). They had to put in paved switchbacks so cars would have to slow down to take the gnarliest one.
Anthony--that sounds like mad Smallwood tekneek, you'll have to show me. Kinda interested in how you manage to turn it 90 degs with one foot. And amen to the post-11:00 sesh. My knee is doing surprisingly well. Pending doctor evaluation and no surgery on the 13th, maybe we can hit up some slalomers for some DNC lot action later on in the month. I don't think I'll get the green light, but maybe you can get it going on your own. p.s.: off topic: was that pool in SE off of South Capitol and 395? Send me mail if you want to keep it hush.
I think there might be some confusion over the 360 slide, but maybe I'm imagining this. For me (and probably just for me), a 360 slide is where you push the board "through", so you go from ass-down heelside to face-down toeside--you're rolling your body and the board does a 360 spin a la stacy peralta.
coleman slide 180, plus another coleman 180 fakie back to regular stance (layback?), where the board stays in front of you the whole time, it adds up to 360, but to me it's a pendulum.
scotty--kind of hard to tell because tripod sucks so bad I gave up loading the pics (too long), but looks like some nice spots and makes me want to visit nova scotia. Your 360 1/4 pipe move--that's a bert, right, or are you spinning around as well?
I think the picture "finished the 180, starting the 360/720" or whatever on the "straight hill" shows *exactly* what I'm talking about with respect to slides vs. footbraking. Even if you slide straight without tracking to one side or the other, there is no way you can tell me you are needing less than half a lane there. Check out the car. Now just add two rows of intermittently double-parked stationary steel behemoths on both shoulders, aggressive Republicans driving their daddies' 328i beems trying to pass delivery trucks in the oncoming lane, and a fleet of oblivious tourist minivans busy deciphering maps to the Smithsonian and gawping at row houses. hmm. problem.
btw--watch them knees, b'y--stay low and flow.
p.s: how big were your wheels before you started sliding? Them some small thangs.
B.C. to D of C punk rockin' it.
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On 6/4/2003
Anthony
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Yeah, I've been to Canada. Lot's of wide open space. Ever been to Washington? When you can bust a slide at 30mph with cars a foot away on either side, let me know. I want to get video and make a little money on one of those exploitation TV shows. And flat spots?? I worry more about my shoes. They go long before the wheels do.
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On 6/4/2003 Scott
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Anthony, then you get flat spots
and have any of you guys ever been up to canada?
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On 6/4/2003
Anthony
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Damn Rene, I wondered where you were. I figured you were kept in by the rain like the rest of us.
As far as braking goes, would you drive a car with no brakes?? Learn them all. Each situation differs drastically and you should react accordingly, which you will, because you're a skater. If there's anything skaters have, it's reaction. Just make sure you can do them AT WILL!!
Like Rene, I live in DC which is full-on urban living, so we spend all of our skate time with taxi's, buses, clueless pedestrians and maniacs. You must be able to stop on a dime...except after 11:00 pm of course, when the streets are empty and you can bust it wide.
Sliding is big fun, but footbraking's survival skills. When you go low, drivers can no longer see you.
One thing to practice, which probably sounds silly, is riding the hill balancing on one leg. Kinda like an inliner missing a skate. Practice dropping up and down, touching the ground. If you can do that silly stuff easily, then you'll be ready to apply it in heavy situations, like racing. I never see guys at races bust it wide to brake. Some guys like JimZ in Canada bust a little, but not full-on 180's.
One technique I've been working on is to place the foot down then slide it back until top of the heel touches the wheel, and then put hard pressure on both, then slide the tail out like you would a snowboard. I'm getting them down to where I can control it and slide it 90 degrees. DOUBLE BRAKES!!
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On 6/4/2003
david
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scott, you are right, but would'nt any 360 slide just be 2 180s put together. least thats what it seems when watching the supaflex videos...but you are right, the smoother the transition between front side and back side, the more style.... and style is everything, right? according to Dogtown anyways...
later skaters
www.geocities.com/sk8sanfran
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On 6/3/2003 Scott
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David just a suggestion, what your doing isnt really a 360 it is basiccly 2 180's.When i first started spinning on hills that was my biggest problem, now i have a reallr clean rotation. And try to stay in 1/2 - 1 lane
Just a suggestion
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On 6/3/2003 hc
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vaitus, yikes, that's some bad track record..
a note to all you guys riding without chase cars,
in studies for cyclist and motorcyclists, accidents from the rear, while most feared, is actually the least likely to occur. (source: effective cycling by john forrester)
david, will check out your vid later, on slow connection,
we gotta work on those 'supaflex' slide when you get back.
i am still trying some 540 bank slides at vans. fun stuff.
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On 6/3/2003 vaitus
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no worries man, you're at a safe distance, I'm in NC.
those drop knees look wicked cool but they come at a price!
I tried a set up similar to the one you mentioned, and was sliding too fast for me to control it. I prefer something with a longer wheelbase and softer wheels, like a supaflex dragon with 84a flashbacks, that thing is so smooth and easy to control no wonder those guys are pulling 720s.
I've also found that 78a flashbacks will slide as easily as 84a's, with the bonus of being faster, but they wear out too quick for my wallet.
PS you're right about "having to learn" things, if I hadn't quit using a leash I would have never learnt how to hold on to my surfboard
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On 6/3/2003 R.ene
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oh, yeah,
I learned footbraking because I had to. It was the only way to stop without dropping the lead while being pulled by my dog Marx. He's an american pit bullterrier, and damn, he is a crazy fast boy! I think we probably hit in the upper 20's at least.
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On 6/3/2003 R.ene
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ooo, vaitus!
damn, dude, remind me *not* to ride close to you on the street.
Yeah, I originally chunked the meniscus doing exactly what you are talking about. I was learning how to slide, had a 40" Bulldogs and some brand new gravity 80a's, and threw down a gimpy rail-grab, drop-knee "coleman". The back wheels broke, then grabbed again and torqued my front knee just all wrong. i think it was actually the back wheels sliding that moved the deck out and twisted my front foot in a bad way. Short version: repair surgery and many depressing months of rehab. I would take a broken bone over cartilage/ligament tears any day. You know what's wrong and it heals way better and quicker.
So, after a couple years of skating fine and pulling big ole slides any way, Friday I was tooling around in the first day of sun after a week of rain waiting to go out with my woman. Same board, 92a vision blurrs, drop knee carve, back wheels slid a wee bit, and then *nick* --hello bad knee. Anyone want to buy a Bulldogs 40" longboard of pain?
The moral of the story, kids, is keep your toes pointed to the rail, and get your a$$ safely behind and below your board when you heelside slide. It will be much kinder to your knees. *Don't* rail grab unless you have mastered the "behind and below" position, or you will end up gimpy like me. Plus, it usually puts your board up on two wheels and looks much stinkier than a nice laid-back cliff coleman wave.
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