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On 6/3/2003 vaitus
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R.ene,
sorry to hear about your knee, I almost did that too, just because I was grabbing the rail when sliding. took me 4 months for the knee pain to go away. better tecnique and stronger legs have helped a lot with that.
yes my footbraking is less than perfect, I lack the practice. until I can slide like a champ I'll keep doing 99% of my riding in parking lots and paved trails that are closed to car traffic; there I don't need to footbreak that much, I just bail to the nearest grass in case of emergency.
I've been run over by cars 5 times, 3 while riding a motorcycle and 2 while riding a bike, luckily I'm still alive and the worst was a double broken wrist, but I tend to run away from cars these days....
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On 6/2/2003 R.ene
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hc--
yeah, I don't ride with a chase car. Gotten up to 25, maybe 30 mph, the hills in my hood are just not super super exciting. I just think if I tried to slide in front of some car, they wouldn't understand what was going on, would freak out and run me over or crash. That was *definitely* the case with the tourist van.
I was about to get into some serious downhill around these parts with A. Smallwood and crew to test y'alls theories, but I chunked my meniscus so I'm out for the season. Watch out for those low-speed drop-knee turns. They will F**K you UP!
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On 6/2/2003
david
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hey hc, i've been working on my 360s
check it out at www.geocities.com/sk8sanfran
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On 6/2/2003 Scott
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I think Sliding is a trick and is a kind of style
Footbreaking is a lot easier to stop with
this is how i ride
I use sliding like cliff
did you guys check my site?
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On 6/2/2003 hc
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not sure how my post ended up in bold print...
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On 6/2/2003 hc
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scott,rene,vaitus,
first of all, technique first, style second.
most people lack in the technique's department.
worry about style after you got your technique down.
what rene said is true, about short vs longboard, soft vs sticky wheels, for narrow lane and at slower speed, short boards and harder wheels are easier to throw down tight pendulums.
lane width, i believe the standard is 12ft, some road have bots dot that make things even tougher.
I stick to hills that have a double yellow center. I usally have a chase car, if not, i slide to a stop when cars catch up to me. I don't believe in letting cars make a pass.
Anyways, the main focus here is how to modulate your speed at higher speeds, at 30,40,or even 50 mph.
If you don't like the sketchy nature of footbraking, pendulums is gonna be your best bet.
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On 6/2/2003 hc
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mikez said,
"footbraking is definatly the preffered braking method in racing(in SA) for corners and for stopping"
yes, in racing, but how about general freeriding on open roads? (meaning with traffic)
how many incidents that you noticed of riders going down while footbraking?
What speeds are we talking about? 30,40,50?
Would you agree that when you screw up footbraking the consequence is more severe?
Should downhillers who have no interest in racing (be the first one down the hill), be using footbraking?
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On 6/2/2003 mikez
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footbraking is definatly the preffered braking method in racing(in SA) for corners and for stopping.
Yes A Huge majority of the riders here(South Africa) can slide I can slide and it's fun and all but footbraking is for me definatly quicker.
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On 6/1/2003 Scott
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R.ene I guess if you slide that way for a stop its different
i slide for the same thing as cliff and sergio
check my site www.nsboardco.com
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On 6/1/2003 R.ene
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vaitus--
well, maybe that's why footbraking is not working for you. In footbraking, I apply the whole sole of my shoe to the road evenly, with gradual pressure. This isn't the same as "de-pumping" or whatever when you slap your foot down repeatedly. It's more like a big brake.
I don't think we are meaning two different things when we talk about sliding. When I say arcing, I'm not talking about your overall path down the hill, I'm talking about what the board does around your body. when sergio y. or cliff do pendulums, the board definitely arcs across their body from one side to the other. I can't see how it's possible to slide without turning the board. if you're bombing down this page, you have to put the board at least
from this: I
to this: __
that requires a turn of some sort to initiate the slide, even if it is very small.
also, I would agree, footbraking is not always faster than sliding, especially if you have grippy wheels. I think soft wheels also might make your board track more, so your slides "J " out, whereas hard wheels would allow you to go pretty straight just because there is less resistance. Hard wheels, though, don't always stop very fast, thus the spectacular sliding runs of the supaflex gang, cc and sy.
one more point and then I'll shut up about this. you are right, the main braking point of a slide is the wheels going sideways down the hill. Sliding pucks or gloves, I would say offer minimum braking power. In a hands-down slide, your weight is off of the wheels. When you are footbraking, your weight is right on top of the braking point, the sole of your shoe. That is why I suspect sliding is *not necessarily* a faster way to stop than footbraking, especially if you are going fast. it's like locking up your brakes on the freeway vs. a controlled stop. Once your tires have broken free of the road and your car starts sliding, it takes a lot more distance to come to a stop.
I'm curious what technique speedboarders use more frequently to stop?
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On 6/1/2003 vaitus
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hey R.ene, the fact that we disagree doesn't piss me off at all, just trying to express my opinion here on a subject that I think is very important, since it's closely related to safety. hope that doesn't piss anybody off either.
I agree with you that we should learn both and that sliding is not always the best solution, as a matter of fact I see sliding as the lesser evil (as emeergengy breaking).
I also understand that we mean two different things when we say sliding. Once again I'm referring to what Sergio does in the clip, and he does slide with little or no arc or turn, in other words he keeps going straight as he begins and executes the slide. Call it what you want, but I still think that's going to stop you faster than footbraking, or is it a wheel sliding sideways, even slightly rotating, going faster than a wheel rolling forward?
yes footbraking (where your foot is sliding as well, i.e.: no longer gripping the road) gives you a grippier contact patch, but I don't know how bigger, since your usually applying pressure with either heel or toe, while when sliding your contact patch are 4 wheels and 1 or 2 hands.
no I can't slide without turning first, but that's because
my tecnique is not good yet.
finally where I got the idea as sliding as a way to stop
is the Cliff Coleman article on www.gravityboard.com (teamprofiles, cliff coleman), other comments of his on the subject are available through hc's page, scroll down for the link.
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On 5/31/2003 R.ene
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maybe it's because I live in D.C. and the roads are pretty narrow. all I'm saying is sometimes sliding works, sometimes footbraking works, learn both, use whichever one you like best at the moment. why does that piss you all off? It's stupid to say it should be one or the other in every situation.
Personally, I don't feel that comfortable pulling slides in traffic with parked cars on the right and crazed lobbyists and bureaucrats on my ass and pulling around me on the left. when I slide, I tend to ride longboards with 80a-ish wheels, so putting a hand down and hefting the deck over takes up at least a good 3 to 4 ft "lane" at least the width of the board--so in other words, I need one clear traffic lane to do it--safely. But usually tracks over up to one lane's worth. That's my experience, sorry, but I do think I'm pretty clued into that, at least.
vaitus--no, I don't slide on my ass or across yellow lines, and as far as I'm concerned, sliding is an arc or a turn in which the sideways force of a turn overcomes the tendency of the wheels to grip the road. How do you think pendulum slides got their name if slides don't arc? Can you slide without turning first? Also, one reason that slides are not necessarily faster than footbraking is that in a hands-down slide, your weight is distributed on at least three points, and most of it is off the wheels of the deck--the wheels also usually rotate slightly, and, well, they are sliding, i.e.: no longer gripping the road. When footbraking, your weight is distributed mostly onto the braking point (your shoe), which also gives a much larger and usually grippier contact patch than your garden-variety slider wheel.
sergio and cliff pull tight slides and look great in part because they have great technique, are riding hard wheels and shorter boards, and are also not really that interested in sliding rapidly to a stop, which I thought was what the conversation here was about.
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On 5/31/2003
brian
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speaking of common sense, don't wear a backpack if you plan on skating around shoulder-high handicapped parking signs. wish i had pics 'cuz i'd still be laughin'. any technique pointers on clothesline-style, bust-the-sign-off-at-the-base, crucifix-lookin'-arms out elbow-skinnin', feet-in-da-air, upper-back drop dismounts? mine looked good but there's gotta be a way to do it and still breathe afterwards...
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On 5/31/2003 Scott
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Brian it is better to footbreak then to slide right into them, use your common sense, and who skates on a side walks unless you are a short decker or a sidewalk surfer. Dont be afraid of cars and buist some slides and speed on the street
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On 5/30/2003
brian
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foot-braking is easier on crowded sidewalks. looking cool doesn't count for much when you start running through the ankles of terrified, bare-legged frat girls at twenty. ah hell, who am i kidding? slide on young playahs, don't foot=brake like a sissy.
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On 5/30/2003 Scott
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Personally i dont feal slides are a way to stop but a way to express style in longboarding ways, just look at cliff coleman. If you just use it for stopping you really dont have any clue what your talking about.
Even if that is what it is supposed to be used for who cares it looks chillin and when someone rips a huge slide i give them a nice clap
Me and my friends bust down hills just to pull a huge slide at the end... Now that is cool
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On 5/30/2003 Scott
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R.ene - you have no clue what you are talking about
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On 5/30/2003 Boozy
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R.ene - not if your good, a good slider can control how big your slide
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On 5/30/2003 vaitus
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On 5/27/2003 R.ene wrote in from 128.231.xxx.xxx:
You have to recognize that sliding, even really controlled sliding means you arc across at least a half a lane to one lane of traffic.
R.ene, in hc's words:
"the main problem i see is that people don't have their slides down at lower speeds, and proceed to pull high speed slide before they are ready, resulting in
lots of sliding on their ass or worst not staying in their
lane."
just watch Sergio Yuppie in the gravity clip, http://www.gravityboard.com/pages/video/sergio_video.html,
no arcs across the lane. not easy to do, at least for me, but that's what I mean when I say sliding. If you arc that's a turn, even if your wheels slide at some point.
you also say that "If you are going at a good clip, and have sliding wheels, slides can also go on for a surprisingly long distance." Right. But that distance will be shorter than if you were footbraking, for the simple reason that your wheels are not rolling forward but sliding sideways.
another point towards sliding (as a way to avoid obstacles in front of you) is that you're already low and less likely to hit your head like when doing a superman.
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On 5/29/2003 hc
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mikez, can you give me some general idea of what is the prefered method for high speed braking for the riders in SA?
also, are all you guys comfortable with high speed pendulums?
footbraking is easier to pick up for many novice riders cuz mechanically it's very simple, but doing it at speed requires good balance, especially difficult when your leg is tired from tucking.
In the past three years, i noticed too many incidents of people falling or sketching out while footbraking. (the worst incident is one mongo footbraker did a superman slide and hit his helmeted head on the curb)
For sliding, the main problem i see is that people don't have their slides down at lower speeds, and proceed to pull high speed slide before they are ready, resulting in
lots of sliding on their ass or worst not staying in their
lane.
i can't wait to see the gravity video to see what they got in there.
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On 5/29/2003 hc
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simon, the general idea is the same, some slalom boards are getting pretty long now, like a mini-longboard, @23-24"wb, i prefer them to longboards now for general cruizing, they just accelerate faster.
i gonna try to run a half mile pump race, no cones, fastest wins.
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On 5/28/2003
simon
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I have been wondering about pumping with my bozi, and i wanted to know, is it generally done the way it is on a slalom board with a larger board?? Just wondering...anything/any opinion would do.
thanks
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On 5/27/2003
Ed
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yah, ussually i do use the footbrake at speeds up to around 60km/h...i always thought that sliding would be more dangerous, i guess im wrong, for a strange reason i have good balence and can footbrake well...i always just thought thats sliding looked cool haha
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On 5/27/2003 hc
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www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html
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On 5/27/2003 hc
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for ed,
On 5/24/2003 hc wrote in from 67.122.xxx.xxx:
only two 'easy' ways are footbraking and sliding with slider gloves.
Learn both, but IMO sliding holds a distinct advantage from the safety perspective. (low impact when one mess up)
footbrake requires more balance (which often the newbies don't have). Those who are good at it can do impressive high speed footbrakes. But when they mess up, it's usually results in a flying superman.
I learned sliding first from watching cliff and jm.
then slalom came along, and i learned footbraking.
But for general hill riding, i almost always slide.
Much lower risk and i can pull slides at speeds that i wouldn't dare footbrake.
anyways, read up
lots of info on my sliding page.
hc
geoci ties.com/sk8sanjose/slid ing.html
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