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On 4/14/2003 hc
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lots of recent newcomers to skating start on a longboard, many never got around to learning how to use the kicktail.
i would recomend tic tacs first for pure novice.
(frank, hope you know what that is.)
also recommend conventional trucks in the rear,
hate kickturning on randals.
now, i only can get 360's and that rocking thing (spacing on the name..) tic tac without putting the frt truck down.
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On 4/13/2003
brian
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carpet is good too. practice wheelies/manuals until you can turn 180's and then 360's and then kickturns will be easier while you're moving.
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On 4/12/2003 lazyboy
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Start by putting your board on the grass and find the balance. The board will not go anywere and you will not get hurt when you fall. Then move on to the tarmac
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On 4/11/2003 Frank
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Can I get some advice about how to master the use of a kicktail on a 34" deck. When I try to use the kicktail, I usually end up on my butt. I wonder about my front foot placement not being far enough forward and the board gaffs out from under me. Please help! Thanks.
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On 4/4/2003
snoball
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Sonny, that other site might be Keith Johnson's site
at http://www.surfacemotion.com
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On 4/4/2003
Tom M.
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Rene and Hc,
You are correct in assuming I'm not getting behind the board far enough, nor is my butt breaking the horizontal plane of the board.
Also, I've gotten in the nasty habit of grabbing the lip. Didn't start doing this until a few weeks ago (the sand is so heavy on the roads -- due to the bad winter -- that I was losing the board too often).
I'll try to mod my technique this weekend.
Thanks for the tips.
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On 4/3/2003 hc
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joe, get low.
i can pull slides at running speed,
and i can touch my butt cheek on asphalt.
keep at it.
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On 4/2/2003
R.ene
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Joe--
Actually, I live near Capitol "Hill"--notice the quotation marks--downhill is in short supply. So I've done a lot of slides just on pushing speed, and actually the butt down and back thing really helps a lot. Amen to hc on the grabbing technique putting you on top of your board--that's why I don't like it, and that's actually I screwed myself up. When you get the technique down, you actually won't need to stretch out onto your hand as much, and you will end up being a bit closer to your deck, but it will be more ergonomically correct. If you do slides at lower speeds (i.e.: berts), though, you really do have to push with your legs to initiate and control the slide and rotate around your hand, i.e.: look at your hand, not at your board.
If you are falling on your butt, I think that means more that you are sliding too long for the speed you have, or to a stop (it's bad for your wheels, anyways). You have to have a bit of forward momentum to help you back up on the board. Beyond maybe being slightly embarassing, ending up on your butt doesn't hurt that much (at low speed). Just remember to take your keys out.
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On 4/2/2003 Joe
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Rene and Hc, that's a good point I've overlooked and the picture makes it clear. I don't think my butt is that much behind the board, again I think it's because of the speed, to lean that way withouth falling on your butt you have to go fast, alternatively you could place a lot of weight on the hand, but I've seen that slows me down even more.
Sonny, I think you're looking for www.surfacemotion.com
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On 4/1/2003 hc
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here's pat showing good technique, ass floating over the pavement.
http://www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/patrickskidrow.jpg
(another good pic is cliff on my sliding page)
centripetal force will allow you to get down lower.
guys who hand grab tend to move their cg up.
btw, I don't think cliff is all that flexible, but you can see he gets down low.
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On 4/1/2003 hc
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rene, you raised a good point,
yes, get down, get low, get behind the deck.
guys who have trouble doing this, have problem getting back on the deck as well.
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On 4/1/2003 hc
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sonny, that's mark's site
find the link on my page
geocities.com/sk8sanjose
(look under freestyle)
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On 4/1/2003 Sonny
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I've heard about a web site by someone who has explained a longboard(50"+ decks or larger) riding technique similar to surfing using a kicktail etc. Has anyone seen this site or have any related info. Thanks.
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On 4/1/2003
R.ene
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Tom and Joe,
I'm no slide guru, but how far is your butt over the board when you slide? If you put your knee all the way down and you are too far over the board that would torque out your ligaments no question. I tore my meniscus basically because I was way too much over the board and high sided. When my butt/center of gravity is "behind and below" the board, I find I have no knee pain (after recon surgery) and a lot more control. Also, pushing against the slide helps.
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On 4/1/2003
Tom M.
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hc wrote:
hmmmm, the drop knee stance is one of key element to good sliding technique, (the triangulation thing), the opposite is doing it 'stinkbug' style.
Just *looking* at the pics on your site makes my knee hurt! <g>
Dropping into the position and sliding may not be the culprit. Standing back up without rotating the knee into a 'regular' position may be (my) problem.
Like I said, I'm still experimenting with my aging (49) knees...
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On 3/31/2003
hc
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joe, another thing i can think of is that you are resting too much weight on your rear leg instead of the front leg. it's another common problem when learning.
sangbuem, flowlab techniques?
not sure if these guys put out a video, but that would be a good bet.
IMO, you should forget about the flowlab and focus on the longboard, (secret tip, loose trucks)
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On 3/31/2003
Sangbuem
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Hello
I'm flowlab board rider in South Korea
Now I try to apply speed longboard riding technique to 42 inch flowlab board
How can i prepare systemic learning process (Basic to applied technique)
Please let me know........thank you.
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On 3/31/2003 hc
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joe, starting slow is definitely not a bad idea, most guys tend to go to fast when learning.
give the two hands down a try, it's no fun to skate with a bum knee.
btw, i learned slidng after knee surgery (non skate related). Had to wait about a half year after seeing cliff and jm do it. Some soreness probably when i was learning, but no knee pain i can recall. btw, i am pretty flexible, was able to do splits for a while...
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On 3/31/2003
Joe
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hc, thanks for your input. I'll try to take some pics as soon as I my knee stops hurting. in the meantime I can tell you that (at least in my mind) my drop knee stance looks like pic 3 on your page and the knee almost touches the board. nice page anyways, very good source of information.
In 2 hours I think I pull an average of 20/25 slides, I'm not sure though, I'm learning and I've seen that the more I slide the better for my technique and it's a lot of fun too.
As I've mentioned earlier I slide in parking lots with moderate inclines or flat, I'm learning and I don't want to risk on the open road, so the speed should be around 10/15 miles, maybe 20, it's hard to tell. maybe tha's a problem too.
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On 3/31/2003
hc
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hmmmm, the drop knee stance is one of key element to good sliding technique, (the triangulation thing), the opposite is doing it 'stinkbug' style.
joe, it would be hard to comment without seeing you sliding, maybe post some pics of you in a static drop knee stance. (for example, see the pics of myself on my sliding page.)
you slide session, 2 hrs?, how many slides in that 2 hrs?
my other suggestion is to slide 2 hands down, most of your weight is on your hands.
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On 3/31/2003
Joe
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thanks guys, at least I know somebody else has experienced something similar. I've come to the conclusion that at more than 2 hours my sliding sessions are too long....
I've also noticed what Tom M writes about bending the knee sideways vs bending it straight, the thing is that if you want to pull a slide at slower speeds, ie on the flats, bending the knee sideways helps you give more rotation, but I guess I'll have to go with the straight knee if I want to keep sliding.
Just wondering what Mr. Coleman (do you hear me Cliff?) has to say about this, he's been doing it for decades and in the pictures his knee is always bent sideways.
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On 3/31/2003
Tom M.
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Joe,
I work out regularly, but one thing I've noticed:
If I practice slides with my back (uphill) leg bent sideways, I suffer knee pain in that knee for several days.
If I bend my knee a bit more straight (i.e., go up on the toe/ball of my back leg instead of rolling it over to the side), I don't have the pain.
I've come to the conclusion that it may be more from the standing-back-up than from the bending (i.e., when the leg is bent 'sideways' and I stand back up, I put a LOT of stress on the sides of the knee).
I'm still experimenting with this...
Good luck!
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On 3/30/2003
TomE
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Well if it's of any consolation, I'm 19 and get knee pain after intensive sliding.
But seriously, it might be worth getting it looked at, It shouldn't be hurting *that* much
Then again it could be a problem with your technique
Sorry not much help but just offering some suggestions
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On 3/30/2003
Joe
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I've been practicing layback/coleman slides for a couple months now and wow! what a blast!
But I've found out there is an even worse side than wheel coning to this: knee pain. the day after a sliding sesh my uphill knee (right knee for a regular) hurts to the point I can't crouch down, let alone going for another slide session.
am I to old for this? (31) is this normal or am I doing something wrong? is there a way to avoid hyperextending the knee? I'm pretty flexible and in good shape, and I exercise and strecht regularly ( I do yoga too).
pls help me, I want to keep sliding without killing my knee!
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On 3/28/2003
joseph
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i like medium tight trucks under my weight (200+ pounds) and cant seem to pump loose trucks so experiment with different tensions. at my weight i use orange indys (medium) on boards i pump. i guess its just personal preferance. then again can also pump indy blacks tightened down.
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