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On 1/31/2006 Eric
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Chris I'm sorry to hear about your sister in law. I hope she makes a miraculous recovery.
As for skogging, have you considered working with Scott Imbrie from Original on a skogging specific deck? His deck shapes are quite similar to the ones that S9 made for you. Or maybe you've already found a deck manufacturer to make your new signature skogging deck?
Anyway it's just a thought, since you are already in contact with Scott and are also using his trucks on one of your boards.
Or since you use Trackers on your other board, and Tracker produced your last signature model maybe you could work with Tracker on the new one?
And of course there is always the option of teaming up with Chris Chaput on the skogging deck project.
Any way I'm looking forward to your new decks, regardless of who manufactures them.
And I'm looking forward to your new skogging article as well. Please let us know when and where we can find it, when it's ready.
Thanks!
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New Original Baseplates
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On 1/31/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
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Hey Chris, have you heard from Scott about the new angled baseplates that he wants to come out with? Currently the baseplates are 45* and obvisously are very turny... I have heard that he wants to come out with some 35* plates and possibly 25* plates to make originals usable for DH or speedcarving or whatever one desires. By placing two 35* plates on the board, I'm guessing it would be a much more suitable skogger... Or even having a 35* plate rear with a 45* front the trucks would be be turny, yet stable for pushing...
I'll try to contact Scott for more information... For some reason he hasn't really replied to any emails lately. And when he has replied to my emails, I haven't received them...
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Skogging Set-ups
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On 1/31/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
To restate my skogging setups, there are 2 of them that keep me happy.
One is a 38" deck/Trackers with tight trucks for long stable fast trips. Full on extended alternating leg pumps hitting speeds of nearly 14mph on average for miles and miles and smiles. The trucks are cranked with heavy urethane bushings with very little turning other than just enough to keep the board going relatively straight. Got the harder gumballs 76mm's with stock bearings, sixtracks and a simple 38" cambered/concave deck.
My other deck is my favorite for clowning around. It turns on a dime and even allows some wheel bite to use as skate brakes similar to coming to a stop on skiis when you turn very quickly. Same 76mm, 80ish duroms, stock bearings, cambered/concave 38" and Scott's trucks. Excellent for 5-10 mile skumping outtings.
It's basically the same as the other but it's using Scott Imbrie's Original trucks. A recent email with Scott:
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"Hey Chris,
Going to get you a set of each of the trucks for skogging purposes,
I think we have a lot in common in terms of how we are applying the sport of skateboarding to what we love, And that is pushing the skateboard industry to expand to new customer demographics which is a good thing for everyone.
We will fully support skogging and will certainly link to you from our site"
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So I'm hoping to get more product for my decks to test. Dunno what will shake out but those who support me will definitely get some feedback. I'm out in the CEMENT fields sweating up a storm displaying to many the viablility of skogging, THE "ROLL YOUR OWN " exercise.
Our industry rocks!
So for dependding on the application of skogging, a variety of setups are required. I serioulsy doubt there will be one skogging deck that fits all but that's why this forum exists. To discuss the latest and greatest of what floats your "ROLL YOUR OWN EXERCISE".
I have 48 skogging t-shirts being shipped from PA., XL and LG. a white t-shirt with the official skogging logo . On the site links soon. This might be necessary skogging attire :D
and the next week whilst on planes will give me a moment to pause and reflect a new skogging article. i have so many ideas that it is time for a brain dump.
if anyone has product that needs an honest examination from my perspective, don't hesitate to email me.
I'll be message boarding from Michigan starting tomorrow. Sister-in-law is dieing from ALS. yuk! what a terrible disease. Gonna pay some respect.
cheers
Chris [ Yandall ]
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Skogging set up...
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On 1/31/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Sean I responded about LDP set ups on the pumping forum. I think it's best to have two set ups, one for skogging/pushing and one for pumping/LDP.
For pushing and skogging I think you want the lowest and lightest set up that you can put together. A dropped or drop through deck is great for pushing because you don't have to bend your support leg much to reach the ground. In pumping it's just the opposite, you want more height to provide turning/pumping leverage.
If you had to have one board for both, I think the best bet would be something like Chris Yandall's set up that is pictured somewhere previously on this forum. Scroll down or page back to see it. It's probably the best skog/skump hybrid around.
Good luck and please let us know what you decide to get!
Rob - what was the duro of the avilla's that you raced at central park? About 80a maybe? Would you go harder or softer than that for the next race?
Or do you feel that that is ideal for long distance pushing?
I'd also like to hear what others think about skogging decks, wheel durometers and other equipment suggestions/ideas. Thanks!
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72A = sloooow
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On 1/31/2006 Rob H.
wrote in from
United States
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Just so you know, 72a Availas are some slow wheels, espically if you got some weight on ya. I got them for my Wife's board since she isn't comfortable with alot of speed yet. My fat butt tried riding them down a hill that I normally get a fair amount of speed, and i was so much slower it was very noticable.
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LDP/Skogger
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On 1/30/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
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Hey guys... I have a setup in mind for long distance pumping and skogging and I wanted to hear your opinions on it...
I'm thinking:
42" Scramjet (not sure on the flex/camber/concave of the board, any help?)
RTR Trucks
72a avilas rear, 76a up front...
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76a avilas rear, 77a front
Any comments? Suggestions?
Thanks.
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quote of the day
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On 1/28/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
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Jay Adams said," i think that's what i just did". The steep effective geometry makes them pump really well at slowest speeds,from a stand still. effective geometry is the ratio of how much the axles vary from straight,for every degree that the board varys from horizontal. 45 degree seismics are the easiest to explain for every degree you lein the board the trucks steer one degree, if you positive wedge them they steer at a little more than the one to one ratio and if negative wedge them they steer less than a one to one ratio.At steep ratios regular trucks do weird things there's a lot of tension, and they don't work to well or just flex out of their normal axle path. A stroker type truck has ball joint links and things can work a lot smoother, but steep geometrys give you less traction, a sudden change of direction breaks the grip of urithane to pavement. My stroker actually steered quicker than the originals and with longer springs they can be liened farther too. They were expensive then,and with the quality that would have to be built into them today the price would be truely huge. I made my pair for similar reasons to your feelings about them. I also bought a set of originals later, mine are much better.
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Strokers..
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On 1/28/2006
SS
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
herb I've seen your strokers on hughr's site. They are very impressive looking. As are all your trucks. So, it seems you are saying that your strokers are the best you've tried for pumping?
Do they vary much from the original 1970's strokers?
Would ever consider selling or manufacturing (or licensing the design) them?
I'd really love to try (or buy) them. They look so cool. I always wanted the original ones, but they are almost non existant as far as I know. And they would be too old and expensive any way.
If you don't want to sell them, maybe you could just give us some more info about what makes them so good for pumping?
Thanks!
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Trucks and pump
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On 1/28/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
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I have a set of stroker type trucks that i made,they have a very steep 65+ degrees(unintentional) effective geometry,without any of the binding effect that happens with regular trucks if you double wedge them.These trucks pump off a standstill unlike any thing i've ever tried, it's like standing on mechanical iguana,when you lean it back and forth its legs move and the thing just walks. At speed, it becomes very scary, when i first built it i did take it into the hills and probabely got welll into the 2o's with it. Now trackers ,184's, seem to be the opposite at low speed you can barely pump a long board with 184's on it but it can be pumped while going downhill well into the twenties perhaps even thirty.So there's probabely a certain truck/wheelbase combo that works best for a particular speed of skogging,really quick for skalking, slower responce for skunning.
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Skogging setup
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On 1/27/2006
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
I haven't tried it out for skogging yet but I rode it down the hill near my house. It turns great, and I really like the Gumballs. The Gumballs have lots of urethane to soak up the rough road. I may be going skogging tomorrow so I will let you know how it works. I'll try to get some pictures.
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Skoggin' set up...
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On 1/27/2006 SS
wrote in from
United States
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Marc F. I like that set up!
Very nice.
How does it ride for skogging and pumping?
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skoggin stuff
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On 1/25/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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Hey Rene' ! Glad to see God is chasing you back to LA!!! cool pix :P
and WOW neat board!
hope this image aint too big.... loading big images aint a good thing for these boards :(
anyways, here i am down at the bay getting a piece of my 10 mile skog down at crown point to south mission jetties and back. Great to be slimmed back down again. I was getting like WAY too fat. The lord wants me to be a good structural example so keeping in shape is part of HIS perfect ways...
meanwhile, back at the ranch.. t-shirt designs almost done and stickers too :P
hehehehe
i never thought i'd get back into retail business but it looks like i'm deesitined to do it again. testing the waters for years but never really got serious. It's time!
i put some new skogging videos up on skogging.com . Ever watch jogging on video? boring as crap. but ... on a deck it may be less boring for viewers looking for ideas on this "roll your own exercise" trip!
GET ON IT!
cheers mates!
Chris Yandall
p.s. 36" deck is cool but yhe 38" will be even cooler!
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New Skogging Setup
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On 1/25/2006
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
Chris Yandall model, Tracker 106 Racetracks, and Abec 11 76mm Gumballs 78a
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diktionary clarifikation ;-)
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On 1/21/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
skumping is long distance Skateboard Pumping with never a foot to ground. 25 miles of flat and incline at just over 2 hours is where we're at for now, but its a new year!! the true skump session forces you to challenge hills that seem insurmountable at first...
it all mixes up quite well with skoggin. great vibes here cYa!
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sunny diego and skoggin' y0 momma
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On 1/21/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
this weeked i skumped up a storm. on my long skogging trips where i fall into a skateboard jogging zone, thoughts stream into my mind coloring the essence of my movements. lately, one thought(believe it or not) keeps pounding my face.
skogging, "the roll your own exercise".
yep! skumping my pumping into the skogging world is my favorite thorough rolling body massage. my calves, thighs, waist-line are thoroughly challenged. i dont think there are a lot of kids over 50 even thinking about getting on a board. but if they do, i think this is the best wheelchair an old skateboarder can add to their quiver of skatercize. being an old bumpskiier, snowboarder, surfer, rollerskater, unicyclist and hiker... skogging, imho, is the best cross-trainer for my quiver of gravitating play toys.
i'm having trouble finding a reliable board mfg. someone who will make what i want and not what molds they have in stock and bend those to my shape. i may just get the presses and do them myself. i'm giving myself to the end of march to get production completed. (yes this means i'm shipping April fools day). in the mean time, i'll be selling "official chris yandall skogging" t-shirts or 20 bucks. i finally got my shopping cart software fixed. on www.skogging.com, starting next week, they will go on sale there and on www.chrisyandall.com . proceeds from the shirt will obviously go to the board mfg. i'm finding the deck design will be your standard low-cost 7 ply maple cambered/concave with a simple narrow tear drop design around 38"-40" . i like keeping the skateboard-ship in the "less is more" design arena too. i've been riding these boards for almost 30 years in this general shape starting from the original fibre-flex(1975) days thru my detroit 7ply wood laminate days(80's) and up to now seeing sector 9 taking off with that standard as well.
amazing how things come full circle. my kids are all almost out of the house and my body is ready to get back into recreation. i'll still be serving up websites from my business servers that I admin. i'm not too bad at putting up low-res videos on the web. currently my daily activities include web development for over 200 sites. i'm busy, and a 1 man operation that i get by with a little help from my friends.
skogging is about to become a household term for those wanting to transcend the boring evening walk or jog. i want all the kids learning to skateboard to make switch-foot and switch-stance a standard skateboarding discipline. my goal for skogging is to add a new exercise system for mankind. think of it as a skateboard yoga exercise that almost makes mind games such astral projection a reality(cement flying e.g.). think of it as one way to show others that skateboarding isn't only for snotty nose ollie'ing brats and stuck-up vert riders... it's for everyone that has a built-in nourished skateboard gyroscope and desire to skateboard to a different beat of the drum.
you can skog for 1 mile sprint and get a leg burn equal to none. you can combo skog and pump(skump) for 10 miles and get your t-shirt totally wet with sweat. you can mix a freestyle routine into your skog.
YEP, IT'S THE BEST ROLL YOUR OWN EXERCISE ON THE PLANET. CAN YOU FEEL IT BROTHERS AND SISTERS??? AMEN Y0
cheers you all!
Chris < www.cyask8.com >Yandall
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Reflex Gumballs? I'M IN!
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On 1/19/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Whoa whoa whoa... Slow down... MAKE THESE WHEELS! Gumballs in 80a and 83a Reflex formula would be NUTS! You have to make them. GS and Skumping and Pumping and Skogging and Scooping and Dooping and Bopping and Mopping and Frooting and... WILL BE CHANGED FOREVER!!!
Make these Chaput... Or you'll have to take the risk of having silversurfer track you down and take your life... or just take all of your wheels...
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Reflex Gumballs with Special Lip!
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On 1/18/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Chris Chaput please make those Reflex formula Gumballs with the special lip detail for production! Or at least e-mail some info on how I can get a set of those! And since Chris Yandall is using Original trucks that don't use urethane bushings, I'd love to get a chance to try those too!;)
Can you picture a Chris Yandall Skogging/Pumping Deck with some Liquid carving/pumping trucks and some Reflex Uber Gumballs?
Come on guys, make it happen! Preferably before I'm as old as CYA.:)
C.Yandall please get those decks back into production! With the advent of this new skogging forum a lot of people want to try skogging and your decks!
Specialized equipment for skogging/pumping Yeah!
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You're Right...
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On 1/17/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
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...you are too old. Look how the green has faded in this forum! We just started shipping our new stuff today. You'll like the 70mm Retro ZigZags for quicker turning, but I've got a 80a lime and 83a lemon "Reflex" formula that I can pour into a Gumball mold with a special lip detail that you will go ape over. I can probably put a few secret bushings in your trucks too. Shhhhh. The spies can here us....
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herbn, seen the video?
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On 1/17/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
http://skogging.com/ncdsa/MB/shadowsteps.html
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wider than your foot - cambered / concave design
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On 1/14/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
with this image, narrowness for the width of ones foot. loose original trucks for fooling around. gumballs rock.
cYa
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wider than your foot?
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On 1/14/2006 herbn
wrote in from
United States
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while pushing?across sideways,i guess.
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sliver srufer Q's
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On 1/13/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Hi
[[[sliver srufer]]] :D
[[[Chris what equipment have you tried or experimented with for skogging and pumping? Either alone or in combination.]]]]
right now, i have 2 setups. 1 geared for skumping and the other strictly for skogging(o pumping)
One geared for skumping is a 38" concave/cambered deck with very wide originals
and those big GREEN 76mm gumbals 81a's.
[[[What have you found to work best? Chris Chaput has said that there is pleny of room for improvement in this area, and has new Retro Zig Zag wheels coming out on Friday that he says are perfect for our applications. He mentioned that trucks would be next on his agenda.]]]
I just like nice big wheels to roll over as much as possible that have a smooth roll and nice bouyant resilience. Dunno why Chapu hasn't sent me any stuff to work on. I think he thinks I'm too old or something :D
[[[I know you have been experimenting with decks for skogging/pumping, and new
developments? Any chance of new CYA skogging/pumping deck coming out in the
near future?]]]
I really like a narrow cambered/concave deck. the wheels and trucks are all up to the preference of riding style. I don't think there will be a shoe, fits all. I sure love riding my originals way loose. :D anything much wider than your foot will be excess baggage from my point of view and narrow boards are great for pumping.
[[[From what is currently available can you recommend any set ups that skaters
could start with for this disipline?]]]
i think any board will do for beginners. anything over 40" and shorter than 35" is unneeded baggage. keep it simple. my ollie crazy son, can skog on his double kicktail deck. has a very hard time keeping up with me with both legs but with one leg, he can push almost faster than I over a 1 mile skog.
[[[And finally, you have mentioned that you would at some point post your old skateboarder article "cut the jive and jog" and perhaps some new articles either on your website or perhaps here. I'd love to see that happen soon.]]]
OK OK OK :P
[[[Thanks for the great forum!]]]
dude, i think ANY skateboarder can profit from skogging. it is a great crosstrainer for snowboarding, surfing and skiing and more!!! this forum will be here for those who also figure they are too old to skate and need a unique way to exercise. I say to all of you reading this forum, PEDIDEXTERITY RULES! Use both legs to push and your mind will gain more momentum for other complex balance demanding required exercises.
cYa
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Skogging Setup
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On 1/12/2006
Marc F.
wrote in from
United States
(152.163.nnn.nnn)
I haven't had enough riding to time to find the perfect board but here is what I think would work good for skogging. I think the cambered deck is the way to go. I use a Gravity 37" diamond tail. It has a short nose and tail, has lots of camber, and slight flex. I use Randall 150's but Tracker Race Track 149's would work good also. I do alot of pumping so I like the camber board and loose trucks. I also think you need 76mm wheels. The Abec 11 Gumballs seem to work really good because the wheels have alot of urethane to soak up the bumps. I'm using Kryptonics right now but I think I'm going with the Gumballs instead. This is my opinion on a good setup. I would like to hear other peoples setups also. It is also good to wear a camelback on long rides for hydration in the summer.
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Equipment
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On 1/12/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Chris what equipment have you tried or experimented with for skogging and pumping? Either alone or in combination.
What have you found to work best? Chris Chaput has said that there is pleny of
room for improvement in this area, and has new Retro Zig Zag wheels coming out
on Friday that he says are perfect for our applications. He mentioned that trucks would be next on his agenda.
I know you have been experimenting with decks for skogging/pumping, and new
developments? Any chance of new CYA skogging/pumping deck coming out in the
near future?
From what is currently available can you recommend any set ups that skaters
could start with for this disipline?
And finally, you have mentioned that you would at some point post your old skateboarder article "cut the jive and jog" and perhaps some new articles either on your website or perhaps here. I'd love to see that happen soon.
Thanks for the great forum!
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