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medals v..s. Trophies
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On 6/16/2004
Michael Dong
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High quality medals would be cool. Trophies are cool because you can point to them from across the room when you are toothless and 80 yrs old and grunt "I was a contender".
Looking forward to the cyberslalom cup 2004. Its all about the basics of slalom skateboarding - a powerful pump. A lot of the veterans who haven't done it in a while, should really do well (Ransom, Chicken, Arab, Ritchie, Maysey, etc.). These guys all have an awesome pump and a powerful push. I hope they are ready to battle at full strength.
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Poll: 2004 Cyber Slalom Cup awards
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On 6/11/2004
Adam
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POLL: Do racers prefer quality gold/silver/bronze medals to the trophy cups we awarded in 2003?
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repetive stress
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On 4/29/2004 jg
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If your lower back tends to hurt from Cyber slalom- it is more of a repetitive stress injury.
To reduce this- set a special slalom course up along side it and every so often take a few runs in that to stretch out. Mix up the offsets and particulary..the spacing.
Also ...the fastest way to pump...may not be with your body as rigid as possible.
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USD500
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On 4/22/2004
Adam
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Radikal Trucks has just put up $500 prize money for the first place finisher in the 2004 Cyber Slalom Cup to be held at the US Championships of Skateboard Racing Friday, August 20, 2004 in Breckenridge, Colorado! This $500 is in addition to the regular prize pool from Ncdsa.com and our growing list of sponsors, i.e. 1st place will be well worth achieving!!
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Cyber Slalom
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On 4/19/2004
Mark C.
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Steve, thanks for the info. Mark
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Course set-up
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On 4/18/2004
Steve in AZ
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Hey, Mark. Everything you need to know is on the other forum:
http://www.ncdsa.com/cyber_slalom.asp
You can also refer to this forum for proper starting techniques.
-=S=-
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Set up Gudelines
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On 4/18/2004
Mark C.
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Can someone please post or shoot me in the right direction to get the gudelines for the cyber slalom course ? Been practicing w/ my 14 yr old son and want to set up a course correctly and record some times.Thanks, Mark C.
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Oops
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On 3/18/2004
Jonathan Harms
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Michael, I forgot to check back to see if you replied. I don't know if I'll make it to Breckenridge. I'm hoping to make it to Luna (Mississippi), Georgia and W.Va. this year. May not have enough money for Breck. It's tempting, though.
I agree with you that the start is critical. You need good pushes, a wobble-free "mount" onto the board, and you need to get up to speed as quickly as possible, or it's curtains. Trucks need to be fairly tight or you end up wasting speed by over-turning. I haven't done cyber slalom since last summer, so I'm curious to see whether I've gotten any faster. The best (and so far only) local spot is a good half hour away, so getting all the gear (which belongs to Jeff Goad) lugged there and set up is an ordeal.
Looks like the Swedes are posting some fast times. Keep it up, guys.
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Which side to enter?
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On 3/10/2004
Michael Dong
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Hi Jonathan,
Yours times are looking great! Are you going to make it to Breckenridge?
I use the back belt during regular slalom racing as well. Back pain is a thing of the past as long as I use it.
I always enter from the right side as a non-mongo goofy footer (right foot on front of board, left push foot).
Remember, there is no first cone. Your only focus should be on the second cone during the push start.
Here is the info from a past post:
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Your starting speed is critial to achieve a fast run.
On your push start, try to use 2 or 3 short quick pushes rather than 1 or 2 long pushes. Which side you enter the cones on will help you to get in 3 pushes.
My general rule for which side you enter the cones on:
Right side entry:
Goofy/Non-Mongo pushers or Regular Foot/Mongo Pushers
Left side entry for Goofy/Mongo push or Regular/Non-mongo push
(for newbies, Goofy means you have your right foot on the front of the board when riding, Regular you have your left foot forward while riding. Mongo means your push foot is the same foot that you have on the front of your board while riding, Regular or non-mongo means your push foot is the same foot that your have on the rear of your board while riding).
The reason for this is that it puts your center of gravity closest to the cone-line and you can literally step over the first cone.
For the first 5 cones, make your turns big and round, with very bent knees and stay low to the ground.
As you progress down the course, slowly stand up from this low position.
Don't stop pumping after the last cone, pump through the finish. >>>
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Michael's tips
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On 3/10/2004
Jonathan Harms
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I can attest to the lower back pain following a cyber slalom session (perhaps "workout" is a more appropriate term?). Mine was definitely muscular in nature--I simply did more than my lower back muscles could take. It may have even involved some other things, as it hurt for almost two weeks. If in doubt, fellow cyber-slalomers, quit earlier than you think you need to and save yourself for the next session.
Michael, you may have posted this before, but do you always go into the course from the same side? If so, which one? Like you (if I remember correctly), I skate goofy-footed. I feel more comfortable going in on the right side of the first cone, i.e. I go "toe-side" around it. I leave my right foot on the board and push with my left. That way, on a good run, my last push is planted just short of the first cone and my left foot comes on as the board passes the cone.
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7,99
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On 3/8/2004
KLANG
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Thanks Michael for sharing your experience. I hope some one will do a 7.99 soon, but I don’t think I will be the one. You, Vlad or Macster. I need longer courses. The French 40 cones suits me better. I only tried it ones but hopefully we’ll do it tomorrow in le garage.
Thanks again Michael and I hope to see you this summer in some of the comps.
Oh by the way, did you get my email?
Its regarding the 100 cone race in Stockholm in late autumn.
Tjo
Klang
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Wind and surface
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On 3/3/2004
Michael Dong
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I know that wind will make a huge difference in times. The parking garage have done almost all of my cyber times in is covered but exposed to the weather on 3 sides.
Whenever there is any wind, I never post the time. Breezes can increase or decrease your time by 0.1 to 0.25 sec as I have verified with the timer.
As you get into the 8 second range, 0.1 is huge and its actually funny to be working so hard just to drop the time by maybe 0.02 sec. Sometimes it seems impossible to decrease your time. But there are ways.
The surface is very important. The surface in my garage is concrete brushed across the direction of the cyber course. It is nice and hard but quite rough. This makes for lots of grip but bad roll speed. The ideal surface is a smooth concrete but with good grip. Polished concrete is very difficult. You end up sliding all the way down the course and cannot fully pump without slidin g out. The rough surface is great for traction and you can pump like hell but roll speed hurts your times. With the proper surface a 7.99 run is quite possible but will still take a phenomenol run, and extremely good fitness.
Wheel hardness is very important. I can go from using 84r/88f flashbacks and decrease my times by an average of 0.1 just by going to 88r/92f. Try running as hard and large a wheel as you can. Its amazing how much roll speed you can get from a larger and/or harder wheel. Too large a wheel and your push start will suffer - gotta do some experimenting. It helps to have a group all trying different combos and comparing results after a session.
If you don't use a front foot stop, it can be quite hard to be consistent. For me, if I don't use a foot stop, my front foot will slide as much as 3 or 4 inches during a run if I don't adjust it during the run. It is not only distracting having your foot moving around, it makes for inconsistency. I also use 40 grit belt sander belts for my grip tape. It is a huge help to have your front foot in place after the push start.
Does your lower back ever hurt during/after a session? Try wearing a weight lifting belt. It works great and you may find it increases you speed.
After the first 5 cones, think quick explosive pumps rather than long powerful pumps. Move your arms and hips just a bit faster than you think you should and its surprising what happens. Move your arms and hips fast and your lower body will follow their lead. Also keep crouched just a bit lower than normal and see what happens.
I think Gareth Roe may have a video of me doing a 8.4 something run but I'm not sure how to get it into the proper format.
I'll try to get some runs on film as soon as I can.
Oh yeah, mountain biking with lots of nasty climbs will really help fitness for cyber.
There is only one more secret which I will have to save until after the cyberslalom cup 2004 :).
Michael
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WOOOHHAaaaa!!
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On 3/3/2004 Marcus
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Si Señor!
Am I looking forward to that post! Is it a bulletproof recipe? Can I click away and post 7.99 rigth away? The indoor, flat, garage thing is killing me, I need summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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klang and mac
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On 3/2/2004
Michael Dong
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Hi guys,
I've been very busy lately. I will send a more substantial message about wind, surface, and the secret to get to 7.99 sec :).
Michael
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Site update
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On 3/2/2004
Adam
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Thanks again to Michael Dong for suggesting an enhancement to the Cyber Slalom Challenge page. Now when you click the Updates number for a racer who has posted multiple scores, you will see everything he entered displayed in the main window, including the all-important Comment field.
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Wind and surface
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On 2/26/2004
Klang
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I am very interested in what surface is mostly skated, and if there is a wind factor involved. We (the Swedes) skate a dirty garage during winter and do not have any wind advantage or disadvantages. However, I do feel the surface we skate are rather slow compare to clean super smooth concrete.
Please let us know, cuz I can’t see myself or even Marcus (Macster) do low 8 sec in the garage.
I would really like to hear what Dong and Vlad has to say.
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Push Start?
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On 2/25/2004
Brady
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Steve,
That`s exactly what I meant. If you look at the rules on a cyber slalom challenge here on ncdsa, it states..."1. One foot on board, push foot on ground within 3-foot Starting Box." This is ambiquous as it isn`t clear on whether you can push to the first cone. I always assumed that it was a push start from (within 3-foot Starting Box). It also does not say that you can`t push between the cones either. Again, something I assumed was noy allowed.
Here`s the full rules...
Take the Cyber Slalom ChallengeTM!
The course:
1. Flat area.
2. Start line with 3-foot Starting Box drawn so the box shares its front side
with the Start Line and evenly straddles the Cone Line.
3. 15-feet past Start Line is first of 25 cones spaced 6-feet on center.
4. 15-feet after last cone is Finish Line (174 feet total start-to-finish).
How to run it:
1. One foot on board, push foot on ground within 3-foot Starting Box.
2. Board must cross Start line between the front corners of the Starting Box.
3. Time starts when board crosses the Start Line.
4. Time stops when board reaches Finish line.
5. Any cone displaced DQ's.
If your course is not flat, please run it in both directions and post the average of your best time in each direction. Post as many entries as you like, only your fastest time will display.
Your 4-digit access code is unique to you, meaning that you can update your time whenever you wish. Only your best time will display in the standings.
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G3 and pushes
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On 2/25/2004
Steve in AZ (who was there)
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Brady, it's not pushing WITHIN the box...but more of whether or not you "count" the foot-in-the-box as your first push! Up until now, I have NOT been counting my initial push-off within the box as number-1 push, and I've been able to get 3 pushes in after that, with the third push almost knocking down the first cone with my push foot as I make the turn around #2 cone.
Recently, I've been using more of a slingshot-launch (with one foot completely in the start box), and taking 2 more pushes. That gives me more stability into cone #2, but a tad less speed. I'm going back to the 3-push (or 4, if you count the one in the box) method, and gonna try to get to CO.
-=S=-
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strange
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On 2/22/2004
marcus
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where did 'strange´s' time go and why?
I can't believe there wasn't a single skater with a videocam at the gathering 3, is it really possible or don't ya wanna share?!?!
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Strange times
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On 2/21/2004
Michael
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Relax guys. Stranges time is to be wiped.
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prsh starts
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On 2/21/2004
Brady
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Weren`t they pushing to the first cone at G3? That could account for 4 pushes in the start. I also don`t see it possible if it`s pushing within the 3` box.
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vids
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On 2/10/2004 mac
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Michael or Vlad (or anyone else), do you have videos from when you run the cyberslalom? It would be interesting to see how the hell Vlad gets 4 pushes in, and other things that make low 8 secs possible...
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CS at G4??
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On 1/29/2004
Steve in AZ
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Cool...so the chapeenship will be in CO.
Andy, will there still be a CS course (w/timing) at G4?
-=S=-
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Cyber Slalom
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On 1/13/2004 Fast Forward
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Thank You Adam!
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2004 Cyber Slalom Cup event
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On 1/9/2004
Adam
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The sign-up list is now posted for the 2004 Cyber Slalom Cup event to be held in Breckenridge, Colorado in August 2004.
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