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 Post subject: Buttboard addenda
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:52 pm 
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PSR wrote in from United States (75.69.nnn.nnn):

Isaac, here's some thoughts on your questions.
With bushings, stiff will reduce the likelyhood of wobbles, as will 'damp' feeling bushings. In standard sizes (conical top, barrel bottom, 1" +- in Diam.) I like Khiros as they're molded well, and come in various height sizing. Yellows(92A?) seem to be a good compromise of stability and steering, though blacks are what I've used on a few 'less turny' setups with good results, but avoidance moves and deep-lean turns are better with a softer bushing. Doh-Doh's barrels (the tops are worthless, too short) are decent too.I should note that Tracker's Superballs are darn good, though seem a bit softer than advertised.

With 'large Diameter' bushings, I found out years ago that Stimulators just ruled, but now they're way pricey; So, there's two alternatives, one a bit hard to get, the other a bit scarcer, but worth having. Radikals come in a variety of durometers, and you can use a softer bushing here, as the diameter width adds stability. Blues or Greens are fine, blacks if you need to just Bomb it. However, Radikals are shaped to Radikal trucks, so you may need to trim them. This is best done on a lathe/drill press using a 3/8" bolt and bastard file (this being the 'common tools' version of trimming. If you've got a Lathe, disregard), and you'll want to just get the bushing down to fit the hanger (roughly 1" diam.) at one end by either making it conical, or a notch-cut 3/16" in height. If you're unsure of how this might work, try downsizing a wornout old bushing first...
The other wide bushing is Jim-Z's that are meant for Bear and Grizzly trucks (landyatchz sells these), and I think that milehighskates has those bushings. They're as close to Stims as you'll get these days, although I saw Stims on sk8kings website recently.

With wheels, ditch the Kryptonics. 3DM's HotSpot will romp on by those, as will Grippens and even Flashbacks.
ZigZags are a bit faster, stickier, but not forgiving of sliding turns (when laying down. Fine if you're standing up), as they regain grip quickly enough to make you countersteer. Grippens seem to be more subtle, sticky still, but not quite as fast as Zigs. Hotspots are quite fast in softer duros, and if you run them inside-out up front, will understeer predictably (same duro F/R), keeping the back end stuck down nicely.

I'd love to help you with Technique, but I've got no good pictures. Just don't 'sit-up' unless it's to brake and/or leverage into a corner's apex. Consider moving the shoulders across to help lean, but slightly lift the inside shoulder early in a turn. This keeps the inside elbow up, but also lets you recover or change line with a 'point the toe' kind of move (either inside or to the outside of a turn). If the inside shoulder is too low, the legs can't move easily nor quickly. Try to stay low, clean, tucked-in when you're not braking or turning, but always be ready to shift the shoulders across the board to correct your line.
Lastly, be aware of your handholds. Check them in a full length mirror if possible. Putting a glove on a wheel, or cocking an elbow down when grabbing the deck will mess up a whole slew of things. It's best if you Know where your handholds are, what they look like before you suck a glove off at 45...


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 Post subject: Thanks psr
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:43 pm 
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Isaac Adler wrote in from United States (66.51.nnn.nnn):

Thasnks a ton psr.

I have a pleantifull supply of radiklas, just not in to correct duro (slalom duros...)

I guess I'll be gettin some khiros.

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Bushings
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:27 pm 
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PSR wrote in from United States (75.69.nnn.nnn):

Isaac, If you've got Red rads, consider using one at the rear, lower, in combo with a stiff (over 94A) top bushing. You'll be compressing the heck out of it, but it'll keep from wobbling, mostly, while allowing decent turning. Blue rads are good for the rear, imho, as they blend steering with stability. Just be sure to put in a negative-wedge to take too much steering out of the equation.

Look for those Jim-Z's or Blue/Green Stims, as they're really nice to have around.

With Khiro, get 1 each of Red/Yellow barrels, and top/bottom pairings of Black and Purple. Run the stiffer stuff up front (where your weight bias is), and go one notch or so softer at the rear.

BTW, did my 'shoulder' thing make sense?. I hope so. I've seen riders try using the point-the-legs-only thing, and get Way Too far into the turn, or worse, scoot the hips inboard, which Unseats them, while overcommitting to the corner's apex. The shoulders, and Abs, are the key to leaning off-center, but being able to re-center the body. My board actually is 'tilted' nose-down a bit, allowing me to see, but also get the shoulders across without bumping an elbow on the tar. Ah, heck, you'll just have to go ride, then figure out what plays right for you...


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 Post subject: Truck Adjustment
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:27 am 
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Jordan wrote in from United States (24.6.nnn.nnn):

Hey guys, I have decided to do a lott style buttboard as my first one with a wheelbase around 32-34". Ill be running 45 degree crail DH trucks. I have heard of most people adjusting the trucks just like a standup skate but a few seem to make the back turn more then the front by wedging it more then the front and/or putting softer bushings in back... Whats up with that?

My initial plan is to have the front wedged to 52.5 degrees and the back dewedged to 37.5 degrees.... Then I am going to run a harder back bushing and loosen it just enough to keep the back wheels down while leaning.

Sound alright? I just dont get why people would want a stiffer less turny front truck... Seems like thats asking for slides and wobbles (atleast on a standup)...

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 Post subject: Front/rear steering , tightness bias
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:33 pm 
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PSR wrote in from United States (75.69.nnn.nnn):

Jordan, I don't agree with More Steering at the rear, but a slightly softer bushing kit does make sense. Better than 3/5th's of your weight is on the front truck laying flat, more when you 'scoot' up to get good braking or sit up for a tight corner. And front truck wheel rub is not pretty at all, so having the front snugged down a bit more makes sense. Steering, though, I'd keep good turning going on up front, but that also depends on how much you'll use the legs as leverage for turns. My trucks are further apart than yours, so my front truck leads my hips a bit. That makes it less tippy in tight turns, and more stable on straights and in braking. All a matter of preference. Just be sure that changes you make are sorted out bit-by-bit, and run up to speed gradually. It takes some laps, but then once it's sorted out, you'll know just how your sled works.


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 Post subject: setup
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:50 pm 
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hc wrote in from United States (71.198.nnn.nnn):

Jordan, not sure what you are asking,
but most people run R2's front and back
I seen people run the 35 plate for the rear.
Make sure you run harder bushings to keep the wobs away.
(randal blue bottom and black top)

here's some more info
http://www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/luge.html


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 Post subject: yo
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:18 am 
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wendtland wrote in from Canada (216.9.nnn.nnn):

Sorry for the long delay but I have been very busy. Who is psr seems like he knows what's going on.


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 Post subject: darren its micah, the kid from twin pines
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:57 pm 
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micah galusha wrote in from United States (67.181.nnn.nnn):

hey darren i have been trying to get in contact with you and the other guys but i cant get a hold of anyone.if you get this can you give my e-mail (armyrangerme20@yahoo.com) to everyone we used to luge with?


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 Post subject: keep it classic!!!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:52 am 
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buttimaan! wrote in from United Kingdom (135.196.nnn.nnn):

Guys i know that they are allowing floating axles these days..but this is not called classic luge for nothing so regardless of what is allowed it is up to the whole group to keep it the way it should be ie: Classic luge!!!!!!!! not wooden street luge...floating axles won't help you against a good rider on a real Classic!


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 Post subject: trucks
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:16 pm 
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wendtland wrote in from United States (65.191.nnn.nnn):

floating axles will not help against anyone. its all in the mind.


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 Post subject: Keep it classic!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:17 am 
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buttimaan wrote in from United Kingdom (135.196.nnn.nnn):

key word in this is CLASSIC... END OF STORY... The rest is in the hands of the riders to keep it what its meant to be.


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 Post subject: I wanna ride
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:26 pm 
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Jonas Jungblut wrote in from United States (71.102.nnn.nnn):

Hey!
I used to race at the Hot Heels events in Austria back in '99, '00 and '01 as well as in a couple of races in Berlin, Germany. Then moved to Santa Barbara and got busy with my career and did not compete or ride at all. Today I raced down a steep and freshly paved road on my bike and that feeling came back to me, uhhhhh... now I wanna get back on my board and go fast. Anyone racing in or around Santa Barbara or anyone wanna let me know about some meetings or events not too far away?

Thanks!!!

best

Jonas


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 Post subject: socal
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:16 pm 
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hc wrote in from United States (71.198.nnn.nnn):

jonas,

igsa race - san dimas, ca


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 Post subject: Jonas go to Maryhill "Festival of Speed"
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:59 am 
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Volcanic wrote in from United States (12.104.nnn.nnn):

www.maryhillfestivalfspeed.com


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 Post subject: Jonas
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Big Steve wrote in from United States (69.235.nnn.nnn):

Jonas,
We're not too far away from Santa B. We practice at Templin. If you're up for a short drive you're welcome to practice with Christian and Kyle. Often we put the call out and one or two other riders show up.
Let me know if you're up for it.


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 Post subject: Madison County Gravity Fest VI
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:41 am 
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DrNo wrote in from United States (70.182.nnn.nnn):

For Immediate Release: Alexandria, VA --- DrNoRacing, LLC is pleased to announce, the Sixth Annual Madison County Gravity Festival, the longest running major downhill racing event in the United States that will take place July 26th & 27th , 2008. Top international gravity sports athletes from around the globe will be taking part in the unique event that will be held on East Hill Rd. in Munnsville, New York. East Hill Road is known as one of the premier venues for gravity racing in North America because of the challenging corners, high speeds and good pavement. In addition to Pro and AM Street Luge, Pro and Am Downhill Skateboarding, top athletes will compete in Classic Luge, Inline Board, Gravity Bike and Junior classes. Registration will be online at WWW.DRNORACING.COM beginning January 14, 2008 with a $25.00 discount being offered to those that sign up in the first 30 days and will run until July 18th, 2008.

Registration and Tech Inspection will also be offered on site Friday, July 25, 2008 from 12:00pm to 5:00pm. Racers that have registered online are encouraged to check-in on Friday and go through Tech Inspection to save time on Saturday. More information will be released as the event planning progresses, feel free to forward any questions to Events@DrNoRacing.com


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 Post subject: MCGF
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T Novak wrote in from United States (66.189.nnn.nnn):

For Immediate Release: Backstabbing race organizers WILL steal events away after sabotaging the same event they are taking over the year before. Dr No Racing... as in "No, I will NOT race with Neil Orta." Racers, know the WHOLE story before you register. Stay tuned for the ENTIRE story to be told. It is unbelievable...


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 Post subject: WTB; ButtBoard
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:16 am 
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AJ Powell wrote in from Canada (24.122.nnn.nnn):

I will attend 3 sports at the next MCGFVI,
I need a buttboard, who still sells these?
Im looking for a Classic Lott Racing board, if those aren't available I'll buy Novak's model.


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 Post subject: santabanta
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santabanta wrote in from France (91.121.nnn.nnn):

http://sitesantabanta.net/index.html santa banta


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 Post subject: Wood, bent right...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:58 pm 
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Pre-School Rider wrote in from United States (75.68.nnn.nnn):

Did I find my next board?

http://www.sickboards.nl/catalog/popup_ ... bb1f614277

Click the link, and see for yourself. ;-)


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 Post subject: New Board
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ButtHead wrote in from (173.55.nnn.nnn):

Nice!!@!!


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 Post subject: thiago
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thiago wrote in from Brazil (201.93.nnn.nnn):

Planeta SKATE PARADISE 57 from Fuego Skate on Vimeo.



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 Post subject: Buttboarding Archive 1996-2009
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These posts are from Ncdsa.com's original discussion forums that operated from 1996-2009. Archival topics are read-only.


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