Northern California Downhill Skateboarding Association

With The Worlds a proposal has been made to make it exclusive to the fastest skaters in the World only. This would exclude the Ams. So should the USA host the World Championships for the Top Ams and Masters. Remember without Amatuers there would be no Pros. Discuss amounst yourselfs. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws. In my opinion: Let the pros battle it out amounst themselves as it should be, the best top 20 Americans represent our country. Let us Ams battle it out here in the states. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws.

I'm not sure the 2010 Worlds proposal does exclude Ams.... I haven't seen the complete proposal.

If so, then YES I think a WORLDS for the Amateur/Masters/Jr (or whatever groups are excluded) would be a good idea. Antrim would probably be a good place to have it.

I've suggested also that we have a "rival" or alternative event at Hog hill on the same date for Eveyone else

I have searched through the rules and contest sanctioning process documents and cannot find any criteria for qualification in racing in the ISSA World Championships, please guide me if I am wrong.

It appears to me that if a proposal has been made to alter the current system then efforts should be made to develop what the ISSA defines as it’s World Championship event and how one earns the privilege to compete in the event. The ISSA should develop and publish this criteria PRIOR to the start of the racing season it wishes to enforcement to begin. This pre-determined criteria should be adhered to by the organizer or they cannot host the ISSA World Championships, any deviation from the structure by an organizer would cause sanctions/ penalties in consideration of them holding further ISSA events.

An organizer should not be allowed to determine the riders allowed to compete or not compete in the ISSA World Championships, this should be done by the ISSA alone. An event of this class should have a pre-determined MINIMUM number of racer positions available per class and determination of racers earning a position should be done by finishes achieved in previous events as determined by the ISSA.

While the idea IS the right path for the ISSA to be thinking there is A LOT of work to be done before this is put in place.

That would probably be the ideal ..... But in my experience, there are too few people willing to put in the required effort to make this happen. If a good portion of this occurs, then I will be pleasantly surprised.

I heard about this invitional only event being held as a World Championship while in Antrim. My opinion is that the sport is far too small to support something like this. We are hardly getting a full slate of Pro for a Worlds without it being an invitational.

Ensuring the fastest racers compete is why we have qualies and the best get to race. Will all Pro riders invited have their full travel financially covered? If not it would be no different then any other World Championship.

i was just passing by and saw this....
If this is all coming from the postings on SS.com, with the invites and all...

The way i read it was "no pro, no am"...you are what you are...and if youre one of the fastest you get invited...

That means many pros would be left off the list, and some ams would be on the list..

It's a great concept....it's been tossed around for years...it's never been pulled off...and the economy wont help it at all...

And does it really matter?....If you dont have to qualify for the worlds or nats, thru high finishes at other races during the year, then what separates them from any other big race?...

Don is right...they should sport the worlds best and fastest skater...and they never have...anybody can enter, anybody can skate....and in every case since i've heard of this sport, SOME of the best talent was missing....

So hold the races as you always have...Nationals are possible....a TRUE Worlds is not....not without sponsors with deep pockets...

If you hold a Nats, people will sign up, as they always have...and they will come...but if you want to make it a TRUE NAT's, then create a "champion bracket" of 8 skaters...mix pros and ams if you wish since there really is no clear difference in North Am between the two ..... make it 8 people who have podiumed or placed high at other races dureing the year...and have those 8 go for the best overall...for THEM its for the national championship....for the rest of the skaters, it's a big race, but youre not going home with a national title.
And by all means, dont base those 8 on skate points...skate points dont decide who the fastest skaters are...it rewards those who travel the most.

Oh...and Dr No.....we need LESS administration in this sport, not more....no offense....but..since this is an opinion thread...in my opinion, we really dont need the ISSA telling anybody exactly how to do a race...let them set standards, if that's what everybody wants...but not details...

later

No offense taken Bara.

When I read your statement "we really dont need the ISSA telling anybody exactly how to do a race..." it makes me think you misread my post, I do not think the ISSA should be telling anyone EXACTLY how to do a race, it is the individual organizer's personal touch that makes each race different and thus enjoyable (or not) to attend. I do think if a race is to be called "The ISSA World Championships of Slalom Skateboarding" then it should be expected to have some rules and criteria set by the ISSA adhered to in order to hold that designation.

That being said there is nothing stopping anyone from holding their own "World Championship" with their own rules etc.

that being said anybody can boycott a valiant effort to make the sport look credible finally-yes,you are right dr.no!

when we host the worlds it's gonna happen the way i and a few other important people(racers that race!!!!!!!!!)want it to happen.

camping days are over when it comes to what i think.

our rules will apply when we host the worlds


share your opinions please

Looking for clarification here Donald;

Is this invitation only or do you earn a spot?

Does this race exclude AM's or include the fastest racers regardless of "pro", "am", master", etc?


Eddie;

Is it more appropriate to say that you are suggesting a World Champs for the rest of us? The 95% of racers that do not make the podium in the qualifying races? Would it be invitational only? What if you make the roster to Donald's race? Are you excluded? What if you have raced pro in the past and are now racing Am or Masters?

What if Donald doesn't work with the ISSA? Would we have Brixleg World Champs, ISSA World Champs, and the Am and Masters World Champs?

There is the US Nationals, The Can/Am, The World Outlaw Championships, along with the other 50 races around the world. Whats wrong with having the biggest baddest race for fastest only?

you earn the spot and then you get invited
basically its up to the riders if they make it tot the worlds or not
ams and pros there are enough fast "ams" out there...

Thought this might be an interesting read on this topic - http://www.natives.co.uk/news/2002/0702/05fed.htm

There are good points on all sides of this it seems, but it depends on what we as a whole want. If we are all in disagreement about this stuff all the time, the sport will remain organizationally fractured... but still fun as hell.

I'm thinking next year maybe Farm Worlds, then a Toyland event if I can swing the invite (at least just to jam with JM and JM again), then some ditch free-riding. Maybe some sack time in a hammock on Maui.

-RF

Bottom lline this is Donnys contest. It is his to run. Whether he has the blessing of the ISSA or not. The show goes on. Time to concentrate on the USA. Since so many skate groups are trying to hold on to what little slalom belongs to them. BELEIVE it ain't much. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws.