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There's a nugget:
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On 5/10/2005 EBasil
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"If someone were to write a story about what "really" happened back in the day, I probably wouldn't like it. I like my version of the truth better. "
--Chris Chaput
I've heard someone else say something similar, and it was good then, too.
As someone whose "right arm and knee" are clearly in DogTown & The Z-Boys (well, it's clear to me and my buddy, whose left leg, arm and skateboard are in the movie), I second the emotion: both the movies are celebrations of a particualr perspective on the times, are enjoyable for anyone interested and with a good attitude and should not be treated as biblical history.
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motivation
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On 5/10/2005
glenn
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the docmentary diffenly motivated me to skate better even if i didnt do tricks i went for style wich feels good but i dont know what i look like i could look bad but i feel smooth and the interveiw with wentzle ruml about the movie and they asked him if he still looked at skate magazines and he said he would peak but it wasnt the same the surf style was fadeing away i dunno why but that motivates me in a way before i would just try to ollie around and kickflip untill i saw dogown and zboys i bought a dethbox wentzle ruml suf skater board and i got imdys and auto bahne filmer wheels wicked smooth and grippy so i would just cruise around every where not doing anything fancy but it was so much funner than what skate is now today so right now i have a 8.5 wide board standard shape with indys but i have 60mm ricta filmer wheels and when i go to the skate park i just get as much speed as possible and get more speed by rideing over hips and doing long carves against a huge concrete quarter pipe thats almost as long as the park and when i go to indoor parks i just ride the bowls and carve around and a few kick turns just trying ot go faster and faster each run and pumping arund ervy where possibe. im not to good at skateing but i love it i rather do that than anything in the world i started slaloming i think its fun but not as much as fun as just cruizing at my own path and trying to flow better than any other kid. skateing is a life for me. i couldnt get sponserd but maybe in slalom but from what i hear from interveiws from the zboys i dont realy wanna get sponserd i rather have the fun i am now like the sessions they had in the school banks and i rather run around town and just fool around with my freinds like doing stuff kid my age would do kinda like i guess when jay adams would make rat faces at people or harass old ladys just having fun with the kids in my small town skateing around after school than worrying about winning a contest. i plan on intering some slalom contest if i did get offerd a sponser i would probaly take it but i know its not gonna be like getting sponserd in the 70's becase slaloms not big like getting sponserd my girl skateboards for a street skater so i plan on skateing my whole life and i hope nothing ruins the fun not to say i wouldnt do what the zboys did like partying and getting sponserd and make tons of money i wouldnt pass that up i would be so fun but i know it will eventrully get old so i rather stay whith what im doing
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LODT $$$
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On 5/9/2005 Jay again
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I predict $5-7 million first weekend. It's going up against a Russell Crowe boxing movie as well as that documentary about the school of rock guy. all 3 films will be fighting for the same demographic and I'm pretty sure Russell Crowe will dominate.
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first's
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On 5/9/2005 Jay Lehan
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2 first's. I spoke to Gelfand a few years ago and he admitted his buddy was doing ollies before him but he didn't want to be in the limelight. That's the truth from him direct. In Dogtown and z boys, Glen Friedamn says in there even if tony wasn't the first to do it, nobody did them with style like he did. i have no idea about curt lindgren.
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Fact vs Fiction
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On 5/9/2005
Chris Chaput
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Yea Glenn, I too loved the documentary. I don't think that the viewer had to be a skater to enjoy it, but as a skater, I was stoked that someone took the time and laid out all the sights and sounds of "our" era. Many, many, many skaters have deep, deep, deep feelings about:
1) Skateboarding and the media
2) Dogtown vs The Rest of the World
3) Tony, Tony, Tony, Stacy and Jay
4) Unresolved personal issues from their youth
I know that I do. The subject matter of the documentary and the movie seems to open up a Pandora's Box of emotions in skaters young and old. So many people are soooooooo worked up about "the really important things in life", such as who did the first kickflip, frontside air and ollie. I'll ask it here, as if I don't already know the answer: Can anyone say, with scientific certainty, who did these tricks first? Do we care, really? Did Guiness have to be there to make it "official"? If we found out that it wasn't Curt Lindgren, Tony Alva and Alan Gelfand, would any of our lives be any different? It seems so damn important for people to "set the record straight", when the record isn't even crooked.
If we were talking about stolen intellectual property, copyrighted materials or slandering people, that would be different. But we're talking about a movie. A MOVIE for crying out loud. When Sony hired the "reality" police, Tony and Stacy got the call. They got a kick-ass director (thank god) from Venice whose former job was a production designer. She gets it her way. And she gets it right.
I'm not sure when it became cool to say how lame something (or someone) is, but I think time is betting spent elevating oneself than in trying to drag something down. Junior High is when it's cool to say "Green Day sucks man, their song is like, on every radio station - they sold out". How old are we?
The purpose of Lords of Dogtown is not to solve all the problems of the world or to set the record straight or to compete with the documentary. It's more about reaching out and touching millions of viewers, educating them a bit, motivating them a bit, and entertaining them a lot. I hope it makes a boatload of money for all of the brave souls who pushed this through to completion, despite the fact that just about every skateboard movie in the past was a failure. It was blast to be a part of, and it's going to be around for a long, long time.
If someone were to write a story about what "really" happened back in the day, I probably wouldn't like it. I like my version of the truth better.
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chaput
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On 5/9/2005
glenn
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yea chaput u are right the documentary was awsome best one iv seen probaly just becuase i skate but i think ill like the movie just as much
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Lords of Dogtown
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On 5/9/2005
MG
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I have not seen the movie. But I was on the set for a couple days during the filming of the Del Mar contest sequence. I had the time of my life. The set looked awesome, even though it was the parking lot of a church just a few blocks from my house that I had been to on many occasions, I felt like I had stepped back in time the moment I got there. Attention to detail was staggering.The stunt doubles could rip on a skateboard, and even some of the actors were not bad. I personally witnessed Heath Ledger pull an old style kickflip on a repro zephyr wearing some hideous period hippie shoes.
TA was actually polite and personable and in a good mood. Stacy and Alva filmed some of their own foot work , shot from the waist down. Emile Hirsch as Jay was truly great, he really seemed to tap into Jay's manic presence. His stunt double Colin Griffin was insanely good, but Emile himself could skate pretty credibly. The actor who skated worst was clearly Victor Rasuk as Alva. We'll have to see how he comes off in the film. Mike Ogus as Biniak was also incredibly good.
Have to give Chaput props here. Not only did he nail a whole bunch of extremely difficult old style freestyle tricks first take under pressure, but he brought a bunch of wheels to the set that basically saved the day of shooting, as the cadillac repros that TA had commissioned were of a ridiculously hard duro like 95 or something (I have a set and they are rocks) so hard that the actors and stunt doubles couldn't do the the tricks like christies and hard carves on the slippery platform that were required. Chaput busted out with a set of cutdown dyed no skools in a soft durometer to the stunt skaters and pretty soon every stunt skater on the set was begging for them. If cadillacs had been as hard as the movie repros I have then there would have been no point to the whole urethane revolution angle, as 95 duro wheels are not all that different from clay in terms of hardness. Maybe they would flat spot less, I dunno.
Anyway, I have high hope for the film in terms of nostalgia and entertainment. It won't be for everyone, but what is?
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amount
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On 5/9/2005 toddc
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13.5 mil.
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Ohhh Lords
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On 5/9/2005
Marty Schaub
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Eddy,
If you ever went to a contest and stayed at the same hotel with TA, Jay or any of the boys then you would know the stories are true.
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Dogtown Fact or Fiction
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On 5/9/2005
Eddy
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Way before the Documentary or upcoming movie many of us teenagers back in the 70s imitated the moves and the style of the Z-Boys. It was a time that came and went, but for those of us who lived through those times and waited for Skateboarder Magazine to hit the newstands. All I can say is it was a blast. Now in my 40s I am still STOKED that I can ride again and share the same comaradarie with my friends. Were most of the stories that I read fact or fiction back then, who cares. I know that it left an impression on a kid who loved to skate. Those of you who never got it, never will. For me it is all about the STOKE. Eddy Texas Outlaws.
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Lords Of Dogtown
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On 5/9/2005
Chris Chaput
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I think that Dogtown & Z-Boys will be a better documentary and that Lords of Dogtown will be a better fictional movie. How's that for going out on a limb?
Let's be realistic here. Neither the documentary nor the movie are meant to be "real". They are both a reflection of what one person (Stacy) wants to say about the events surrounding the Z-Boys in the seventies. I hope no one went to Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 believing that they were seeing the "real" history
of the United States because it was a documentary. I like what Stacy has done, and I believe that he is as open and honest as he needs to be to make a very entertaining and interesting documentary, and to write a very entertaining screenplay. Both pieces of work can stand on their own nicely, and it is wholey futile to suggest that one or the other is unnecessary, better or worse. Which are better, oranges or carrots? Grape juice or wine?
I've watched the Price Is Right (and all of our dogs are neutered) and so I'll guess that the opening weekend will do $27,000,001 and beat MB. If more people find out that Hackett and I are in it, $29M.
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Preview screenings
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On 5/9/2005 Beth
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Any idea if there will be previews of the movie on the East Coast?
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Relax, Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew
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On 5/9/2005 EBasil
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Good grief, quit with the spatting over nothing and go enjoy the movie, for whatever it turns out to be!
I just hope the soundtrack has more Herb Alpert...I laughed out loud when that came out of the theatre speakers during a Z-Boys screening. A bunch of younger "folk" from a radio station turned around and looked at me with a quizzical, "WTF is funny?" look. I guess that's similar to the look I'll have when something off my new Green Day CD shows up in a movie set in the '70's. Ho ho.
Public preview screenings in San Diego, May 17 and June 1.
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wich is better
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On 5/9/2005
glenn
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what do u think will end up being better the original doc. dogtown and zboys or the new movie lords of dogtown. i have a feeling that the doc. might be better becuase it tells what happend from the acual people instead of a scipt wich isnt the what they said 30 yrs ago but the movies still gonna be sweet i just hope nasty emo kids or what hackett would say vegan freaks in my shcool who never thought about skateing start trying and buying alva boards and shirt and powell peralta reissues. there only 3 kids in my school who buy older style boards and thats me and 2 of my freinds
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Opening weekend
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On 5/9/2005
Mike Brönnimann
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21.6 million what a stupid way of discussing the movie... but if you only want to bet about opening bugs... whatever... here's my guess. If Hacket says it's good, it's all good. He's been there, done that.
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The Man and his living
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On 5/9/2005
EPS
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Now that doesn't suck.
Hackett seems pretty cool to me.
I'm looking forward to seeing the movie with my crazy-assed bro then skating somewhere in the dark.
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FINALLY, A MAN AND HIS OPINION.
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On 5/8/2005
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
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Nice post Pete Roy.
I like your style...
A name, an email, and a measurable valid opinion;
BACKED by a real person. - Bitchin.
For that; email me your address Pete, and I will
send you a new Deathbox Deck; because I can-
I do this for a living.
HACKETT - BLR - DEATHBOX
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Kook Shut up!
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On 5/8/2005
Adrian
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And the Moderator pulls Mark amd my posts. And this kook can knock Friedman and Hackett. You gotta be kinding me. Any one who cant post there name on a web site is and always well be a poser. Who cares about you any ways. Your mommy is calling you home. Kook. A movie is just that a movie. You should worry about yourself. Sounds like you have alot of problems. You must live in a every small world. Grow up. I'm looking forward to the movie, looks fun.
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suck
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On 5/8/2005
pete roy
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jealousy or just wierd dudes?
obviously some of you have issues with hack, he's very outspoken.
But the jealousy really seems to be what comes through in the posts.
Weiner - you suck because you have no credibility and talk, but don't let
people know who you are. Very weak and just plain senseless.
Best bet - you're girlfriend liked the hackett's when you sucked.
Tom T. - Many great posts from Tom on other forums and has left his
left his email address before. Tom just don't like Hackett. Tom you
suck because for some reason you let this get to you. Hahahahahahaha!
Webmaster - you just suck for deleting what you want.
People are people and can have opinions - the anger by Tom and Weiner just
adds up to jealousy. Very strange because I'd bet they are both over 40. But
then again not strange because Hack's doing something he loves for a living
and I'd bet the other two "go to work everyday".
11.5 million in the first weekend.
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Glen Friedman
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On 5/7/2005
SkateandSlamSam
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Wasn't he that nice skinny little rich jewish mamma's boy wanna' be skater turned photographer who copied everything that Craig Stecyk did?
I think he is a vegan Hack.
Hack, what BALLS you had back then to wear your G&S "colors" at the DogBowl!
Damn, who can top that?
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THANKS!
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On 5/7/2005
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
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THANKS "BIG FAT WEINER IN YOUR MOUTH"!
(That's THE perfect name for you!)
I said it once; I'll say it again-
Don't ever believe some little weiner
who dosn't have a ball sack to post his real name
OR email address. Probably one of those Vegan Freaks
who can't get a hard on any more. Eat my MEAT Bitch.
Love you!
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
PS-(I Rode Arthurs' too) But then, you knew that
too...you were probably the one who named it "MAN-HOLE"
BWAHHHHH!!!
PPS- Is Glen Friedman a Vegan?
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TOTAL KOOK
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On 5/7/2005 BIG FAT WEINER IN YOUR MOUTH
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Never said your name in the post or this one. The funny thing was how they guy knows he's a kook, and goes through the motions of trying to sell everyone his lies of self deception that anyone knew or cared about him in the days of the dogbowl (or ever for that matter).
P.C. and Peralta were both G&S members too, this is true, but would you ever see guys who really were on the team as pros wear their uniform anywhere other than a contest or demo? not likely, not even Peralta wore his 'colors' at the DogBowl.
Paul Hacket (RIP) was rad no doubt, but his relative is just a wanna be, always has been always will be a wanna be. Can't tell the truth and can't even take a real truthful criticism on a website, and has it taken down because it's all true! ... frontside carve??? haaa! as if! look at the back foot and hand placement, and that still does not explain no coping even if it was true - poor guy
- the troll with his ass-hole pressed against your mouth tough guy
the 1st note in case you missed it before it was CENSORED of the site:
first of all the film was ok, not great by any stretch of the imagination.
Some kook below said he was there and has a gay picture of himself not even hitting coping at the dogbowl, wearing that kooked out GOD SQUAD (G&S) uniform with the bright yellow collered shirt and red OP's that most would only wear in a contest when forced to, unless of course you just were a wannabe kook, that only got to skate the DogBowl when no one else was around (evidence that picture compared with most of the other good ones you might see around with all the DT boys and dogs around). So obviously his opinion ain't worth a doo-doo.
Anyway back to the film: it is "Hollywood" on a medium budget, going with that in mind and not the REAL story, as pure entertainment for kids, you may be able to see beyond all of it's faults. Even people who weren't "there" who saw the Documentary may be dissapointed by it's "based on a true story' theme since much of it is pure "story", not reality. And indeed some of the scenes will make you cringe, but after seeing it a 2nd time i could admit it did not totally suck and was pretty fun. One thing I will agree with that the kook wrote was that the kid who played Jay did do a great job (too bad that's not him, but his skate double in the photo.) If you love the trailer like I did you may also like the movie, but if you were turned off even by the trailer you don't want to go to the theater for this one.
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NO YOU!
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On 5/7/2005
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
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United States
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No, You are right, Tom t.
SO right, you are nothing. No real name.
No real email address...No Balls...
No history, No Future,
NOTHING!
Thanks!
I love you too!
HACKETT - SMELLING GNARLY-ER THAN YOU TOO!
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Hackett
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On 5/7/2005 tom t
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Yo Hackett
You were there. We are Nothing. Your self-styled supremacy over All Things Skateboarding is really starting to smell. Do us a favor and go talk to someone about why you always have to be right.
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TOTAL KOOK
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On 5/6/2005
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
wrote in from
United States
(68.71.nnn.nnn)
Don't ever believe some little weiner
who dosn't have a ball sack to post his real name
OR email address. Probably one of those Vegan Freaks
who can't get a hard on any more. Eat my MEAT Bitch.
He for sure was NOT there. Nor can he skate.
If he could skate he would know I am doing a FS
(That stands for "FRONTSIDE", Kook!) carve in that
photo.
And Yes, I got to skate the DogBowl many times WITH
all the Boyz AND with only a couple bro's- Like my
Bro "PC", or Paul constantineau who was also sponsored
by G&S or The "GodSquad" along with Stacy Peralta and my
brother Paul (RIP) who you can see in the shallow end of
that photo.
VERY FEW GOT TO RIDE THAT POOL WITH ONLY A COUPLE BROS.
I admit, it's not the best photo I have of me riding the DogBowl.
I'm saving those for my new book, titled "I WAS THERE - YOU WERN'T
KOOK" - HA HA HA!!
Any troll can get on here anonymously and post
stupid sh!t like that hating on me; usually they
are the ones who wish they were like me...
I'm flattered. Just for your effort tough guy;
YOU WIN THE "TOTAL KOOK - LITTLE WEINER AWARD"!
Congratulations! Great Job!
And thanks for keeping my name out there!
All the best!
HACKETT - BLACK LEATHER RACING
ps- The movie is great! :)
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