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original trucks
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On 9/3/2004 lasse
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i have set up a hommade board with cutouts 30" wheelbase with originals 8" hanger
first rides was so strange the trucks felt so twitchy and wobbly to carve, now i getting used to them, turned them tighter, its like a progressive feeling not so much turning in the middle but boy do they turn, i am going to wear out my 83mm new flywheels 75A, its true about the turning, you can wip it around in 6 feet, with just a bit of speed the the wheels start to slide consider it for a moment, sliding with 83mm 75A at pushing speeds
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hand slides
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On 7/6/2004 wacky
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hey carvecats...
those hand slides are bare palms not w/gloves
i have slider gloves i use for my longboards
but the carveboard controls the carve and all
the variables so well that you can fully trust
and commit to anything deep & steep w/o worrying
about a sketchy slide out or maintaining full
control at speed ...a nice 10-12mph carve gets you
in the full flow and can be sped up to 15-17mph for
a little more "big wave" style riding ...then the
hands stay clear of the pavement and the focus is
a bit more intense!
peace ...monson
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the real carve
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On 7/6/2004 wacky
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hey carvecats...
i love my longboardin' ...but for that truly
insane taking it dep & steep carve experience
you have got to try out a carveboard w/the big
pneumatic tires ...you literally feel like you
are surfing on water!
you can get so low and so laid out on your carves
that hand slides where you just skim the surface
of the road are the rule and not the exception to
any stylish run ...something i can usually do only
about half the time on my carviest longboard set ups!
they are a little spendy but you can find them used
on ebay or on the carveboard forums for a killa deal
every once and a while ...mine was a pawnshop purchase
2 months old for $175 i was stoked!!
so ...bottom line the carveboard carves like no other!!
i have tried setting up many decks to mimic this ride
and have yet to find a truck & deck combo that recreates
anything close ...maybe a new evo landy with some 90mm
or 97mm flywheels w/the smaller hub and then experiment
w/a range of trucks to fit the set up (bakus/randals/
originals/seismics)...i would also be curious about trying
a bozi or landy wedgenose style and see how well those decks
throw down a deep in the groove kind of carve
always on the search for the search for the ultimate carve!!
peace ...monson
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wheel hop
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On 7/2/2004 ss
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"Do you get any wheel hop from overloading the grip when cutting it tight? "
Not if you are not going too fast. Tight full circles (or s turns) will control your speed on super steeps. If you are going too fast you may slide or hop depending on road surface. Your wheel selection will also greatly effect whether you will slide or hop, as will your technique.
I have more of a carving style than bombing, and wheel hop has not been a problem.
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The Ride...
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On 7/2/2004 silversurfer
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is awesome, it's not metal to metal contact. They use a special bushing, it's not at all like a regular bushing. It's made of ballistic nylon or something.
The spring and design make the ride very nice, but most importantly you get super precision turns that can't be done on any other board.
Believe the 6ft. turning circle for the 47", the 43" Freestyle model turns tighter than that
With 75a Gumballs the ride and handling are so smoooth and it can TURN. Your ride on these trucks will be affected by the wheels you choose. I like the whole Abec 11 line.
Original trucks are different from eXkates in that they do not require different bushings to adjust the firmness/softness or tightness/looseness
instead they have a hex key adjustment that give a wide range of options.
They feel a little different from other trucks some people get on my board and think that it feels really loose. But to me it's soo stable. I wouldn't want it any other way. Although for an experiment I want to try their 180mm trucks on a dropped speedboard, with big Flywheels like the new 83mm in 75a.
I found out recently that I can't ride any other board without Original trucks, I try to make the turn and I don't make the turn. Not good.
What is the shape and size of the Hot Blast? With Original trucks your deck must be designed to prevent wheel bite. A regular deck woudn't really work, but a speed board or a pintail or something with special wheel cut outs would work.
Original is supposedly working on a vert lam wood and fiberglass deck that will have concave and camber in some sort of modified pintail shape. This new is designed to work with the wider 180mm Original trucks. Should be very cool.
I don't work for Original or anything I just really like their products.
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Orignal Super Carve trucks
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On 7/2/2004 PSR
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SS,how do those ride? Is it all metal-to-metal in there? I can clearly see how they'd get a deep lean and turn out of that design! At first glance,I was skeptical about the claim of a 6ft. turning circle on a 47" board. Do you get any wheel hop from overloading the grip when cutting it tight? Looks cool,maybe even cooler than Exate trucks. Hmm,I've got an old Hot Blast that might need the edges trimmed off;those could be the trucks for it,eh?!
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road widths
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On 7/1/2004 ss
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Bugs, a softer wheel, say a 75a along with Oringinal trucks and you wont need wide roads YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CARVE ANYTHING!
For wheels I want to try the new Abec 11 GRIPPINS AND FLYWHEELS
the grippins should give more grip than flashbacks
or you could go to a softer flashback of course
3DM avilas and avalons are very grippy also.
those emotion 75mm wheels look interesing
PSR if you get those you should let us know how they perform.
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Oh yeah...
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On 7/1/2004 ss
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another thing my 43" and 47" Oringinals both turn MUCH tighter than a 29" Bahne Black Hill slalom board with a Seismic front truck.
Original long boards actually turn more quickly than any short board with conventional trucks, or even seismics or randals. At least that has been my experience.
If you want to get that snowboarding/surfing feeling this is the way to go,
altough the Stik would be fun to try also similar concept
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Ah, Bugs...
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On 7/1/2004
silversurfer
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My personal seceret is the Original Super Carve spring loaded trucks. Mine are mounted to the Oringinal Freestyle 43 deck. This deck looks exactly like a 43" snowboard with 4 holes cut into it (to prevent wheel bite). I have Gumballs (75a) and PT ceramic bearings to complete the set up
This board can turn much sharper than anything I've ever seen! Bugs, my street is narrow, and some what steep. With this board I ride rail to rail, just like snowboarding. On my street I start out with some nice wide s turns down the wide section, and then tighter and tighter s turns. And only then, when the speed starts to get too high to control, I start to turn back up the hill into full circles. Going down the hill a little further with each circle, just spriling down. Then I have to turn around and head back up on the last section to avoid flying into a high traffic street. Most fun I've had on a board.
The Original board and trucks are truly amazing. If you want to carve tight on narrow roads these are the ticket. Highly recommened, their moto is "built to carve". You can check them out at
www.originalskateboards.com
Just for kicks (and carves) check out these too;
www.stik.com (fantastik surk style skate video)
www.carverskateboards.com (check out the guy surfing the sidewalk on an actual surfboard)
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Roads,Oy,oy,oy...
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On 7/1/2004 PSR
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Bugs,I try riding on roads that're two-laned With a shoulder when using longer boards.Some of the fore-mentioned condo roads have no shoulder,making life a bit more exciting.The coolest road nearby me is a By-Pass highway under construction.It's 3+ lanes wide,smooth as glass,not too steep,but has enough pitch to get rolling along nicely.It's a luxury to be able break out a Landyatchz DH(with Gumballs)and see just how fast it'll go before sliding in a turn!That's the exception,though.The ECES rockered board has just enough steering to get a 'loop' turn on a two-lane,provided it's sticky enough tar.There's a nice old country road,on the backside of Equinox Mountain,that scoots up from Sandgate through "The Notch" that just got resurfaced last fall.There,I'm forced to use a much shorter board.So my fave ride there is a cut-down Joyride snowboard,about 33" long(compare it a Landyatchz "mummy")that runs a slalom-style truck setup.I like it with a turny,tall truck up front,and a Seismic at the rear,and SOFT Avalons or Flashbacks.It makes me stand a bit narrower than I do on my Alpine Snowboard,as the wheelbase is under 20"(my hardboot stance is usually 20"-21"),but it gets around the corner quickly enough to deal with steeper/narrower roads.Another thing to note,beside length and wheebase,is a board's flex/camber.Most Slalom boards out now are designed to increase thrust when pumped through a turn.Older boards,like my 70's vintage Hobieflex(Think 'G+S Fibreflex')flex enough to actually help scrub speed,and the action of flexing increases the turning angles at the trucks.A great example of that build type is Summit's Sidewinder,which has a huge camber bulge under the rear foot,and a lot of flex,too. A little trick I found growing up around here was to keep older,slower bearings,and toss those into boards I would use to hit big hills. I can't say I do that much anymore,but I do recall it working on less manuverable boards like my old solid-maple 38" homemade kicktail.Oh,yeah,and note rubber wheels.I have Smokebombs,which despite being nearly 80mm tall(and FAT),are slow.The rubber just dosen't carry speed like urethanes do.The Grip is pretty good,and dosen't drastically change when you hit a damp spot.I've heard that Summit's rubber wheels are quite slow,but Very Sticky.Emotion (available through Skates on Haight) is still making wheels that are both Urethane and Rubber (originally for Pool Riding,but now also made in 75mm size),with the rubber being the outer half of the tread.I'm thinking I probably want a set or two of those. So,try for a shorter wheelbase and/or a flexier board to get tighter turns on steeps.Look at how well your trucks turn;Look at the bushings first,then consider wedges to increase steering. As for wheels,well,Grip is good almost always.Just don't go with more wheel(in height)than you need.A fat,but smaller wheel can give you a good carve,but keep the speed within reason.If you've got smoother tar,you can get away with a harder wheel.If it's like my roads,then you're happy that they now make sub-78A durometer wheels!
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Road width
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On 7/1/2004 Bugs
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SS and PSR, how wide are the roads you're riding on? I'm also an alpine snowboarder, and love to simulate the deeply angulated full C turns that I do on a snowboard, but the roads where I live are very narrow - usually only barely 2 car-widths. When it gets steeper I just can't get my speed down before I run out of width, and I'm on a fairly short, quick-turning board. If I try and turn tighter I just slide out, especially if I hit the white stripes on the edge of the road - they're damn slippery! Using either 78 or 84 Flashbacks for wheels...
I'd love the space to actually be able to turn back up the hill. I always feel that with enough width I could carve anything, but I haven't been able to test this theory yet...
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S-Camber ECES board
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On 6/29/2004 PSR
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SS,I use Randals,the 160mm hanger on the R-II bases,slightly negatively wedged(fat ends towards the ends),because the nose has some serious upturn on it.For wheels,I like running Avalons on it for grip,and sometimes will use harder Flashbacks(84A)if I'm letting it slide some.The board is just under 4ft long,and about 8-1/2" at the widest.It dips about 2" in rocker,most of the bend is up front,so my front heel is usually just at axle height. Um,steepness is a tough one to measure unless there's a highway gradient sign around.Vermont is mostly hills.I've run controlled,non-sliding runs on stuff that's around 12%,after that,it's really hard to make smooth turns without breaking into a slide.In technique,I use what I teach for Racing Snowboards.I try for keeping my shoulders level to the slope.In quicker turns,I'll overexaggerate that move,actually lifting the uphill shoulder/arm to 'throw' more body weight back up the hill.I keep the knees Always bent,but I also try to keep weight pushing into the board.The only time I let up on pressuring is in switching from toe-to-heel or vice-versa.At the feet,I use a move that also works on Snowboard;I work the feet through a turn by using the front foot first,then pressure at both feet,ending the turn cycle on the back foot,ready to start with the front foot again.Having that front foot start the turn assures that the delay from one turn to the next is minimal.I try also to make my arcs cross the hill early,as to scrub speed better.If you delay,or turn too little,you'll gain too much speed,so rythym and timing are crucial.Doing 'full arcs',where you carry your turn back up and around is cool.I strive to make half arcs do,but there are those times where you've got to point it back uphill... ;-) Ocassionally,I'll point it back up,and then carve it back fakie(btw,that's tougher to do on say,a Turner,than it looks!). The carving purist in me keeps me working on well-placed and timed smaller turns,pushing it right to traction's edge,and keeping the line smooth and uncluttered.Some of the best spots are up near the ski-hills,where new condos are.Those roads are often lightly travelled in the summer,and usually in much nicer shape than the county roads.
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How steep can you carve it?
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On 6/29/2004 ss
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PSR - what kind of trucks and wheels do you use on that s camber board?
Do you have any special techniques for steep carving?
I have Original super carve trucks (spring loaded) and I like to head down a steep hill. When I start going to fast I pull a super tight turn and head up the hill and back down. Then I do it again. In other words I do complete circles, going a little further down the hill with each circle.
Did I invent something new or does everyone do this? How does everyone else carve steep hills?
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Freecarving
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On 6/18/2004 PSR
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I Dunno. I consider going fast with a clean line and plenty of flow a nifty trick unto itself...Then there's always the "how Steep can you Carve it?" question(one that gets asked pretty often here in the Green Mountains),which usually seperates posers from Riders really quickly! Then there's Nelson,who gides "shoot the Duck" turns at a good clip,usually extending them into 360*+ carves,or just switching up lead-footing and/or direction to see if anyone noticed... I have a rockered S-Camber homemade birch deck that'll drift flowing slides,while I'm standing-not crouched,at speeds fast enough to overtake cars on Equinox mountain.Do nose manuals count?If so,Huck gets some credit for hanging ten down past Slalom courses on the Rt-7 Extension.I've seen him pull wheelies on past 30-cone TS courses,never wavering,and still turning! When he figures out how to do Impossibles OVER the cones and still carve on by,well...
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What's in a name?
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On 6/18/2004 VELOCEDOG
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Maybe I'm taking the title too literally---but if this is "freecarving,"
shouldn't SOMEBODY be doing carve TRICKS?
........just a thought....
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every bodys doin it
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On 5/19/2004 fokke wolfe
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when you are cruisin down a hill
pop in some pink floyd preferably DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
then listen to TIME
that makes for a good time
(watch out for cars though, they come out of nowhere when you cant hear)
Ride fast and often---
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Carve,or Slide..?
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On 5/11/2004 PSR
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Chuck,before you go trying a Freeboard,Check This out! Just Copy+Paste this addy.- http://www.stik.com/demohigh.html -As I've said before,Freeboards do Sliding Turns,are not so wonderous for Carving unless the center wheels are tucked up outa the way.They're not easy to learn,either. More info is also available at Hugh R's site,which tucked in the "Links" on NCDSA.Look for his 'crosstrainer comparison'.
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freeboarding???
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On 5/11/2004 chuck
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i am 13 years old and i would like to start freeboarding. i wanted to ask u guys if it is hard to get started. i skateboard and have been for like 3 years. i wanted to know if someone could make a post and tell me if it is really hard to start. peace
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PSR
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On 5/8/2004
CKnuck
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Eric e-mail me.
It bounced back when I tried to e-mail you.
tks
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freebord
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On 4/19/2004 bones
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had a great freebord session today,they are a weird beast to ride and very different to a longboard,good fun tho,i ride mine with 85mm kryps and 66mm centres to smooth out the rough tarmac here in the uk.
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Freeboard
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On 4/14/2004 PSR
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My issue with the Freeboard is that simulates a SLIDING turn,not CARVING. If your local hills have good smooth tar(unlike the roads here in Vermont),and you want to carve smoothly with no worries about speed,look into a FLOWLAB. What I found with the Flowlab was a distinct lack of grip on the outer wheels(they're 88A Rollerblade type),and you're only on four (max) at any one time.However,putting softer 'Goalie' inline wheels solved the grip issue a bit,and made for smoother ride overall.Flowlabs aren't 'cheap',but are worth the money if carving is your style.They're a tad tippy at first,so keep the ankle loose. Tierney Rides are another great deep+steep carver,and they can be fitted with either Rubber or Urethane wheels.They are even 'tippier' than a Flowlab,but steer very well. Hugh R. has a good review of these boards up on his site,which is in the "links" section on ncdsa.
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freeboard
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On 4/13/2004 abe
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I've ridden a freeboard a couple of times and I think if you are an intermediat rider this is not the board for you. The third wheel may make it easier to slide around but you will slide to much and end up turning 180 degrees and going down the hill switch. Also the third wheel makes every other type of skating harder. When your carving it is much eaisier to slide out. Now this might only be tru with people who are used to longboards but if you have not been riding that long the freeboard might be easier to get used to. So basically what I'm saying is if you like the feel of longboards and that is what your used to don't get a freeboard but if you don't really like the feel of longboards or you are not really used to longboards or want to try something different go ahead and get one. I think their king of expensive though, some thing like $300 or $350
-abe
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freeboard
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On 4/11/2004
paul charlebois
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anyone use a Freeboard. (third wheel on front and rear trucks). This third wheel allows you to slide the board on heel edge to slow down.As a intermediate rider I find it hard to slow down on very steep terrain. How hard is it to slide this Freeboard sideways?
thanks
Paul
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NZ hill bombing
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On 3/29/2004 Brett
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Yo all, hey from New Zealand...
Go the hill bobmbing, we hit our hills in my town all over, they dont look as smooth or as clear of cars as photos i have seen on this web site, but hey.
Night time bombing is the best... not as many cars, but way more sketchy where there is less light... we have a frequent little bomb section thats got perfect tarmac, but no lights at night and bush covering so no moon light... its adeptly named death valley... as the road and where the edges are cant be seen, it emerges out onto a short rough section then out along a slight flat... great fun! Do you people have problems with what we call "boy racers" people who are young males mainly with fast cars and fast attitudes... they love to aim for us skaters.. bastards. What do people ride? mostly long boards? I ride a blacklabel redcross, indy trucks, blacklabel 60mm wheels, abec5 bearings... i getsome mean speed:) and the best bit its just so dam fun!!
Skate on...
Brett - DHW crew.
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MissouriMatt,wheelwells
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On 2/10/2004
John Dillon, Team Fun
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Yea, I've noticed that too....so I enlarge my wheelwells myself, when necessary.
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