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Buttboarding (778 Posts)
Topic Buttboarding Info
Bushings
On 6/30/2007 PSR wrote in from United States  (75.69.nnn.nnn)

Isaac, If you've got Red rads, consider using one at the rear, lower, in combo with a stiff (over 94A) top bushing. You'll be compressing the heck out of it, but it'll keep from wobbling, mostly, while allowing decent turning. Blue rads are good for the rear, imho, as they blend steering with stability. Just be sure to put in a negative-wedge to take too much steering out of the equation.

Look for those Jim-Z's or Blue/Green Stims, as they're really nice to have around.

With Khiro, get 1 each of Red/Yellow barrels, and top/bottom pairings of Black and Purple. Run the stiffer stuff up front (where your weight bias is), and go one notch or so softer at the rear.

BTW, did my 'shoulder' thing make sense?. I hope so. I've seen riders try using the point-the-legs-only thing, and get Way Too far into the turn, or worse, scoot the hips inboard, which Unseats them, while overcommitting to the corner's apex. The shoulders, and Abs, are the key to leaning off-center, but being able to re-center the body. My board actually is 'tilted' nose-down a bit, allowing me to see, but also get the shoulders across without bumping an elbow on the tar. Ah, heck, you'll just have to go ride, then figure out what plays right for you...

 
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Thanks psr
On 6/30/2007 Isaac Adler wrote in from United States  (66.51.nnn.nnn)

Thasnks a ton psr.

I have a pleantifull supply of radiklas, just not in to correct duro (slalom duros...)

I guess I'll be gettin some khiros.

Thanks again.

 
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Buttboard addenda
On 6/29/2007 PSR wrote in from United States  (75.69.nnn.nnn)

Isaac, here's some thoughts on your questions.
With bushings, stiff will reduce the likelyhood of wobbles, as will 'damp' feeling bushings. In standard sizes (conical top, barrel bottom, 1" +- in Diam.) I like Khiros as they're molded well, and come in various height sizing. Yellows(92A?) seem to be a good compromise of stability and steering, though blacks are what I've used on a few 'less turny' setups with good results, but avoidance moves and deep-lean turns are better with a softer bushing. Doh-Doh's barrels (the tops are worthless, too short) are decent too.I should note that Tracker's Superballs are darn good, though seem a bit softer than advertised.

With 'large Diameter' bushings, I found out years ago that Stimulators just ruled, but now they're way pricey; So, there's two alternatives, one a bit hard to get, the other a bit scarcer, but worth having. Radikals come in a variety of durometers, and you can use a softer bushing here, as the diameter width adds stability. Blues or Greens are fine, blacks if you need to just Bomb it. However, Radikals are shaped to Radikal trucks, so you may need to trim them. This is best done on a lathe/drill press using a 3/8" bolt and bastard file (this being the 'common tools' version of trimming. If you've got a Lathe, disregard), and you'll want to just get the bushing down to fit the hanger (roughly 1" diam.) at one end by either making it conical, or a notch-cut 3/16" in height. If you're unsure of how this might work, try downsizing a wornout old bushing first...
The other wide bushing is Jim-Z's that are meant for Bear and Grizzly trucks (landyatchz sells these), and I think that milehighskates has those bushings. They're as close to Stims as you'll get these days, although I saw Stims on sk8kings website recently.

With wheels, ditch the Kryptonics. 3DM's HotSpot will romp on by those, as will Grippens and even Flashbacks.
ZigZags are a bit faster, stickier, but not forgiving of sliding turns (when laying down. Fine if you're standing up), as they regain grip quickly enough to make you countersteer. Grippens seem to be more subtle, sticky still, but not quite as fast as Zigs. Hotspots are quite fast in softer duros, and if you run them inside-out up front, will understeer predictably (same duro F/R), keeping the back end stuck down nicely.

I'd love to help you with Technique, but I've got no good pictures. Just don't 'sit-up' unless it's to brake and/or leverage into a corner's apex. Consider moving the shoulders across to help lean, but slightly lift the inside shoulder early in a turn. This keeps the inside elbow up, but also lets you recover or change line with a 'point the toe' kind of move (either inside or to the outside of a turn). If the inside shoulder is too low, the legs can't move easily nor quickly. Try to stay low, clean, tucked-in when you're not braking or turning, but always be ready to shift the shoulders across the board to correct your line.
Lastly, be aware of your handholds. Check them in a full length mirror if possible. Putting a glove on a wheel, or cocking an elbow down when grabbing the deck will mess up a whole slew of things. It's best if you Know where your handholds are, what they look like before you suck a glove off at 45...

 
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Just a few more nub questions
On 6/29/2007 Isaac Adler wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

Alright, after postponing the build almost 6 months, I'm finally ready to build. I've got a ''FLott Clasic'' (fake lott classi) template all done, and wood ready to be cut; but I've still got a few more questions.

As for bushings... do you want hard busings as in DH Skateboarding? I always see people mention colors instead of duerometers..are the colors based upon Khiro bushings, or Radikals?

Chris Chaput: Wheels-I realize that everybody likes the blue 70mm Kryptos, but what about Abec11's 70mm Zig Zags? I know everybody like centerset, but what about the reflex urethane in the zigs?

Finally, Technique. Other then Lott's book and site, (and this one), what is a good recourse to learn the proper butt boarding technique?

I've stirred some interest in michigan about buttboarding...but NOW I GOTTA ACTUALLY START IT!

 
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Madison County Gravity Fest VI
On 6/15/2007 Diane wrote in from United States  (68.238.nnn.nnn)

The MCGF Planning Committee is currently working on bio cards for the upcoming event. Anyone interested, please forward info to contact@madisoncountygravityfest.com. We will need a facial photo, an action photo, racing class, gravity sport bio, etc. Please forward info as soon as possible so we can be geared up come racing weekend. Thanks, Diane, MCGF Planning Committe

 
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Green Mountain Madness
On 6/12/2007 Rick wrote in from United States  (68.142.nnn.nnn)

Hey buttboard racers...great to watch you guys race Saturday! I shot some photos of the event, which are available for viewing and purchase on my website:

http://www.cloudtenweb.com/events/gmm/gmm_index.html

PS - was McBride on a buttboard or a luge?

-Rick

 
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Green Mountain Madness
On 6/11/2007 T Novak wrote in from United States  (71.10.nnn.nnn)

WOW, that was some race. Mt Ascutney is a GREAT road for buttboarding. I hope we get to do it again...Thanks Tim, Neil and the rest of the Gravity Sports International team. I had an awesome day. See you all in Munnsville...

 
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Green Mountain Madness REGISTRATION OPEN
On 5/29/2007 T Novak wrote in from United States  (71.10.nnn.nnn)

At long last... REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN for the Green Mountain Madness race on Mt Ascutney in Vermont. GSI appologizes for the delay. You can Resgister 24/7 at:
http://www.gravitysportsinternational.com/registrationvt.htm. As with any new race location there were issues that needed attention before GSI could open Registration. Thanks for your patience and LET'S GET PSYCHED FOR SOME RACING!

 
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Other VT venues?
On 3/31/2007 PSR wrote in from United States  (75.69.nnn.nnn)

Hey, I'll go over and ask this week.
Other thoughts are that both Mt. Snow and Killington will be under new management as of this summer, and they've both got some nice hills (Killington's are better, though Bear Mt. access needs new tar) that would be well suited to Slalom/G.S./Super-G.
Bolton Valley ski area is another possible sight (OldSchool Dan says it's very nice), but I haven't talked to anyone up there.
Also, I'd like to have GSI look Ball Mountain over, as my time is being used up helping care for our 5-month-old twins, and I could use some help. Plus, it's too good of a locatrion to just walk away from. Having DRAS there last year was great, and I'm hoping that relationship will continue.

Having these hills nearby has always inspired my skating, but I've loved sharing this or that run with others. I'm stoked that Northern New England is getting put on the racing map!

 
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Okemo
On 3/30/2007 Tim wrote in from United States  (66.65.nnn.nnn)

Hi Eric,

Last time I spoke to anyone at Okemo was after we went there with you. The guy I spoke to didnít see the value in having events there. So unless something has changed, I wasnít going to waste time trying again. Do you think they may be more receptive now? We can send them a proposal.

Tim

 
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Vermont!!
On 3/28/2007 PSR wrote in from United States  (208.5.nnn.nnn)

Yeah, Right On!! One of Vermont's gnarliest-but-fun descents, low traffic volume (Closed in Winter), great views, and almost in my back yard. This, folks, is a Seeee-erious hill! Btw, guys, have you talked to anyone about Okemo?

 
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Classic Luge Madness
On 3/28/2007 T Novak wrote in from United States  (71.10.nnn.nnn)

Time for some buttboard racing. The Northeast is gonna ROCK this year starting with this event:

http://www.gravitysportsinternational.com/ascutney.htm

Go to the GSI website for regular updates...

 
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Mr. Surly
On 12/24/2006 Isaac wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

No, I never got around to it. The weather's been kinda crappy here, and I've lost the stoke.. Also I've been extreemly busy with school and wrestling. Mabye next spring ;)

 
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igsa rules
On 12/22/2006 mr. lšng wrote in from Germany  (195.125.nnn.nnn)

This is the first time i understand what a non-aerodynamic stiffener is. The whole year i thought at the races: "Oh man, whats up here, all other decks have fiberglass.". But now it sounds clear. And like PSR wrote: That is good news!
Thank you Tyler.

 
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build rules
On 12/21/2006 wendtland wrote in from United States  (71.103.nnn.nnn)

those are the rules of the igsa.

 
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Glass?!
On 12/21/2006 PSR wrote in from United States  (75.68.nnn.nnn)

Really!? Damn! That is good news!
When ,how, where did the build rules change?

 
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glass
On 12/21/2006 wendtland wrote in from United States  (71.103.nnn.nnn)

yes, as long as the primary building material is wood. the deck must be made with laminated wood but can include some glass and/or carbon (non arro stiffeners)

 
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Glass buttboard
On 12/19/2006 PSR wrote in from United States  (75.68.nnn.nnn)

If you want to race it in sanctioned races, Nope, no fiberglass...
If you want to have a fun vehicle to descend hills, then, please, experiment away. It might be usable in an 'unlimited' Luge race somewhere. I've built some rides that on first sight were literally ruled out by others. A certain (and still used) deck made from crutches that dosen't 'fit' anywhere in normal rules for boards/luges is one, another was a chromoly/fiberglass tub sled that a friend helped make a decade ago.. These have been set aside, and I've simply used them for my own riding, maybe racing a friend here + there. Innovation in this part of the sport dosen't let you race. So, just keep it simple, keep it in the Rules, and you can go racing.

 
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Fiberglas?
On 12/18/2006 question wrote in from United States  (24.136.nnn.nnn)

Hey, can you use fiberglas when building a buttboard?
Or is that against the rules?

 
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Isaac
On 12/18/2006 Mr. Surly wrote in from United States  (24.172.nnn.nnn)

Isaac, did you ever build that board? Just interested
in those specs you have.

Thanks

 
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butt pics
On 11/20/2006 LAOCSD wrote in from United States  (207.200.nnn.nnn)

anybody got any good buttboarding pics

 
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Wood?
On 11/2/2006 Isaac wrote in from United States  (12.75.nnn.nnn)

I'm planning on building a buttboard this weekend. I just finished building a Chaput Speedboard, but by me the hills aren't fast enough for her. I built one of those 2x4 streetluges a while back, but I really never liked it. I'm hoping that a buttboard will be a good alternative for me and my mild hills.

Anyways, I talked to Mr. Lott via email and he gave me very detailed plans for a Lott Classic. I'm in a delema about wood though. I have 2 choices, 12 ply Home Depot "birch", or 9 Ply (real) Baltic Birch. I'm only ~120 lbs (I should be loosing some weigh due to wrestling season...)Which do you suggest. I'm thinking that the rails if done out of the 9 bly birch would stiffen it up enough.

Any thoughts?

 
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Bonelli racing
On 10/28/2006 Scott Peer wrote in from United States  (66.214.nnn.nnn)

Racing returns to Bonelli Park in San Dimas, California in November and December. for details see: http://www.gravity-sports.com/events.htm

 
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Demons of Downhill site updated!
On 8/29/2006 Demon Promotions LLC wrote in from United States  (24.26.nnn.nnn)

The event website for the 2006 Demons of Downhill has been updated. Complete information and registration forms are now available on the website. Stay posted to the site for up to date news.
www.DemonsOfDownhill.com

 
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Ohio World Cup announcement
On 8/17/2006 Demon Promotions LLC wrote in from United States  (65.25.nnn.nnn)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FOR MORE INFORMATION: Demon Promotions LLC
David Dean, 740 405 6848
admin@demonsofdownhill.com

DEMONS OF DOWNHILL, IGSA WORLD-CUP USA, ON FOR OCTOBER 20-22 AT JESTER HILL RD IN BAINBRIDGE, OHIO

(BAINBRIDGE, OHIO) (August 16, 2006) -- The worlds top gravity sports athletes will once again travel from around the globe to compete in Bainbridge, Ohio, near Chillicothe, at the annual Demons of Downhill Street Luge, Skateboard, and Gravity Sports Championships. This is the only U.S. installment of the International Gravity Sports Associations World-Cup series, which hosts races in Sweden, Switzerland, Brazil, and South Africa. The three day event, now in itsí 6th installment, will heat up the streets October 20-22, 2006. The Jester Hill course is a 1.2 mile long track with fresh pavement allowing top speeds on a luge nearing 70mph and top speeds on a downhill skateboard close to 60mph.

Gravity sports include classes such as Street Luge, Downhill Skateboarding, and Gravity Bike along with four other contested categories. These sports have been evolving since the 70s, but were made widely popular when featured in the X and Gravity Games. These sports all feature athletes racing at speeds up to 70 mph powered only by gravity. Street Luge requires riders to lay down in a feet first position on their backs. Lean steered with only your feet for breaking, luge is the fastest of the sports. The other major class is Downhill Skateboarding. Riders in this class race super technical longboards at break-neck speeds, again, with only their feet for breaking.

The IGSA world-cup series is a world-wide set of points races where pros compete not only for the race win, but also to gain points for a chance at the World-Cup title. These races include the Mountain Games in Are Sweden, DHX in Rio Brazil, the World Championships in Scheid Switzerland, and Hot Heels South Africa along with Ohioís Demons of Downhill.

Ohioís three day event will host one day of practice, qualifying, and racing with awards following Sundays finals with parties each and every night.

For more information, visit the IGSA www.gravity-sports.com
Or, event website www.demonsofdownhill.com

# # #
2006 Demon Promotions LLC

 
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