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freedom of expression
On 3/25/2001 wackyskate wrote in from (24.20.nnn.nnn)

big ups 2 the powers that be @ ncdsa!

when the sitch on the site got a little punk
you stepped up and flexed your heads! thereby
maintaining a generous amount of dignity and decorum
in resolving a sticky PR issue i am pleased and
impressed w/the rapid response in sustaining the
strong continuity of expression which exists in
your online community! thanks 4 seeking the solution
w/soul ~ all is well in the free-ride world!

 
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SkyHooks
On 3/24/2001 CloudBreak wrote in from (151.198.nnn.nnn)

hey sorry i dont know where to post this question to get a respone, i was wondering about these things (skyhooks). how do they work exactly...i mean i know that they attach to ur feet somehow, but how? and can u still push? wut type of board should u use? any info u could offer would be great. thanks alot
Ean

 
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slalom wheels
On 3/24/2001 rene wrote in from (216.101.nnn.nnn)

OK, Guy's here's your chance to get your perfect new wheel!

I'm workin on a slalom wheel that I think will work .

Question is, what do u guy's think is the Ticket?

thanx....
ps. sounds like Chris liked the 76mm and 84mm centered hubbed (proto) wheels we showed him awhile back when he stopped in, so I know we were on the right track for the big stuff...

pps. Adam I know u like to slalom!

 
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acid flash-back 11
On 3/24/2001 wackyskate wrote in from (24.20.nnn.nnn)

hail skate citizens of the free-ride world!

i had this crazy recurring dream over the last week
or so where i would see fuschia coloured large-LARGE
urethane wheels morphing 2 black & clear and what i
remember most clearly was this general sense of euphoria
somewhat like finding the lost grail and then i woke up

it was just a dream ...right?

 
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Abec11 grid
On 3/24/2001 PCB wrote in from (207.172.nnn.nnn)

I just checked up on the Abec11 website and saw that there is a handy grid that tells what configurations these huge centered wheels will come in. So if anyone missed the info about them before it got pulled check out www.abec11.com

 
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duane cheated
On 3/23/2001 fly on the wall wrote in from (165.121.nnn.nnn)

duane cheats. he uses the same source as me for all top secret info. you can't use 102mm in racing cuz its over 4in so mr. c started at 101 and kept taking away 9. he's got them at 101, 92, 83 and 74mm. the big one in the picure has got to be the 92. those will all work fine on the 50mm hub but only the 101 and 92 and maybe the 83mm wheels will work on the 70mm hub because there wouldn't be enough urithane to go around the outside. he made this for racing but i know a bunch of guys who are loooong board fans who are gonna lick these up. some of these wheel manufacteres have a degree in marketing but no f***ing clue about what skaters want in a wheel. mr. c has hinted at a slalom wheel and smaller wheels and hubs and i can't wait. i like big wheels but not off a shopping cart :) he's gotta go out and ride the damn things and if they don't work right, he'll have to suffer like the rest of us. we've seen the computer drawings off his wheels, how long do you think he's gonna be happy riding somebody else's trucks? if he does i have have a good name for them. i better trademark it first.

 
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Abec11
On 3/23/2001 Duane wrote in from (64.232.nnn.nnn)

Applying micrometer to computer screen, 50mm hubs, I'd say that black wheel is 92mm give or take.

 
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Abec 11's
On 3/23/2001 Theboz wrote in from (216.116.nnn.nnn)

Holy Cow.
What's the size of those black ones? 100-102mm.
Bigger is better.....bigger is better!!!
Please reply as to availability.
Thanks.
TheBoz

 
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abec 11
On 3/23/2001 hugh r wrote in from (205.216.nnn.nnn)

Actually "Abec 11" is a clever name for a wheel...

As far as how does he do all this stuff? Who knows. I believe he must have married well... HR

 
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abec11 wheels
On 3/23/2001 Bob Loftin wrote in from (192.73.nnn.nnn)

Dude -- those are some big ass wheels. Very cool.

Where does Chaput find the time/energy to do all this stuff. It's all I can do to skate, do my website, and goof off on message boards while at work...

 
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Stonehenge
On 3/22/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

Wasn't that an 18" Stonehenge down on the Sex Farm or in the Hellhole? "Big bottom, big bottom, talk about mudflaps, my girl's got 'em."

Other names to avoid:

Hug HR
Huge R
Huger
Hugger
hughrn
Hug Her
Hug herbn
Herbie the Hug Bug

 
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names and such
On 3/22/2001 hugh r wrote in from (205.216.nnn.nnn)

I don't know that I necessarily agree that any product can be so good that the name doesn't matter. Case in point:

We are all familiar with the blue toilet bowl cleaners that change the color of your water while cleaning... Few people know that some of these companies tested other colors that worked equally as well. The brown didn't fare any better than the red... by far the biggest flop was the "yellow" colored toilet bowl stuff.

So when it comes to the name of a wheel there are a few names that should be avoided:

Chunkers
D-lams
Splitt-fire s
Out-o-rounders
Slo-Boats
Dogs
Spong e Bobs
Flex-o-sides

You get the idea... HR

 
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abec 11
On 3/22/2001 wackyskate wrote in from (24.20.nnn.nnn)

hello cleveland!

chris ~please~ tell me your pourin' some of
those delicious wheels in a black urethane
so dark they could be none more black!

i'm glad 2 see the product has gone beyond the
don't touch it ~ don't even look @ it stage
and when the reviews come in 4 the official
product i hope they are more favorable than
the reviews 4 shark sandwich!

i happen 2 think it is a very clever name 4
your new venture but then it's such a fine line
between clever and stupid isn't it...

like a 6" replica of stonehenge ~ i'm out!

 
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Abec11.com
On 3/22/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

R. must stand for "Right on the money". ABEC is an acronym for the "Annular Bearing Engineering Council" which provides a rating system for bearing tolerances. Skaters place way too much emphasis on these specs and love to talk about how big their number is. I love the movie Spinal Tap. You've heard of Sector 9? Well "Mine goes to 11". You have ABEC-7 bearings? Mine goes to 11. Abec 11 is senseless. The raings don't go that high. There is technically no such thing although one site on the web is selling something with ABEC-11 stamped on the seal! It's a kind of self-depricating humor. I decided to pick a non-existent word for a name that was alphabetically hard to beat (it tops most lists), that would show up distinctly in search engine results, that would have an internet domain name that was available to register and that would pertain to most all Skate Related events. Ultimately, if the products are good enough, the name of the company doesn't matter.

You can check Abec11.com for pictures later on today. I've only put out a 3D rendering until now.

 
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Abec 11?
On 3/22/2001 R. wrote in from (192.26.nnn.nnn)

Is Abec 11 a clever brand-name pun (like in spinal tap--one more rounder)? i thought Abec was an acronym standing for annular bearing... something or other-- a measure of the roundness of bearings (keyword: _bearings_).

 
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new wheels
On 3/22/2001 glen wrote in from (64.248.nnn.nnn)

How can I see these new wheels...do you have a pictures posted anywhere

 
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On 3/22/2001 DanG wrote in from (199.95.nnn.nnn)

Hey Chris, nice post about "Max", do you have any pictures on your website or haven't you taken any yet. I'd really like to see this board, and get more ideas for more own cruser. You are right, nothing is comparable to walking a long long board.

 
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On 3/22/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

There now lives a skateboard named Max,
who can glide over rough spots and cracks.
With wheels large and smooth,
and more foot-room to move,
He can take on some surf-like attacks.

Max is four foot from nose to the tail,
And is one foot from left to right rail.
At this maximum length,
He shows all of his strength,
And can outcarve the rest without fail.

I've been riding the luxury SUV of skateboards lately. I've named him Max because he is comprised of the maximum allowable speedboard length and width (48" x 12"), The maximum allowable wheel diameter (4"~101mm) and the maximum allowable axle width (12"). The floating axle trucks are dropped through the ends of the boards with cutouts for no wheelbite worries. A lot of flex puts this baby right on the floor for the sweetest carves I've ever experienced. Because there is so much deck and the trucks are so wide, your feet move up and back and from side to side alot like carving a long surfboard. I've been taking it down the local 4 story parking garage and taking the elevator back up to the top. It's a poor man's mountain and chair lift. I love it.

 
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Abec11, Aluminators, and the Science of Hubs
On 3/21/2001 roger wrote in from (198.206.nnn.nnn)

Last Sunday at WestLA I got a chance to ride Abec11 wheels in a harder compound (perhaps they where 74mm 81A). Most of the riding was practicing Coleman slides at low speeds. First impressions are that they grip better and slide smoother than I expected, more predictable without chatter or bucking. At the end of the day they showed relatively little wear and suspect them to be very durable.

In some ways they reminded me of Turbos and other ways of Aluminators. Like Turbos they have a harder "big roller" ride to them, no surprise considering the compound of the particular set and hub size. But unlike Turbos, they had a smoother slides and felt more like Aluminators when hooking back up and exiting/unweighting out of a turn. I attribute this to better support across the entire contact patch and less edge deforming. Less deforming means less energy wasted to bending the wheel (faster), even wear, and stable slides.

Currently my favorite production hub is without a doubt Aluminators. They provide firm and rigid support of the compound across [most] all of the contact patch, aluminum not only looks cool, it is strong (I just wish PPaw exactly centered the hub). Rigid hubs can have the bearing offset without a problem (look at most cars), but flexible hubs must have the bearings centered to provide even support.

Imagine driving a car with low tire pressure to driving with correct tire pressure (loose vs. firm support). It's obvious which is faster and has more stability drifting through turns? I don't like to drive with floppy under inflated tires, and I am not fond of floppy deforming skateboard wheels either. If the tires on your car coned you would know something is wrong, if your skateboard wheels cone you [should] know something is not right.

Kudos to Power Paw for their strong rigid hub and soft compounds, kudos to Exkate for extending the hub past the contact patch on both sides, and kudos to Abec11 for it's large hub/s with center set bearings.

 
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Abec 11 Wheels
On 3/20/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

Initially they will all share the same outer width and contact patch of 52mm and 39mm respectively. The chamfered sidewalls and radiused edge of the wheel account for the difference in size between the two measurements.

During the R&D process, you can make your wheel molds larger than usual and try different wheel widths and shapes by spinning the wheels on a lathe-like tool and using a rotating abrasive tool that "sands" rather than cuts the wheels down to size. This way you can find the "sweet spot" in wheel and hub dimensions before commiting to a production mold. You can test sidewall angles, radius sizes, the amount of urethane (if any) that is not fully supported by the hub, etc.

The next big challenge is to find quality axles that have a true 8mm diameter instead of the 5/16" diameter that most manufacturers have settled for at a price that makes sense. The reduction of slop between the bearing and axle with a center-set wheel makes for a fast, true rolling, cone resistant, long life wheel. Like everyone else, I've had to to buy all my own wheels and it gets expensive really fast. Streetluging and buttboarding completely scrubs down your wheels on every run. If you can't rotate them, they become throw aways way too soon. The same goes for sliding in standup.

 
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THE wheels
On 3/20/2001 PCB wrote in from (207.172.nnn.nnn)

Chris,
Will your wheels all share the same widths for rolling surface?

 
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Abec 11 Wheels
On 3/20/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

I met with my guys last night. A production run could happen in as early as two weeks. Look for 74mm, 83mm, and 92mm wheels on 50mm center-set hubs in 75a, 78a and 81a durometers initially. An easy to recognize fluorescent orange hub with three different shades of "smoke" wheels.

Several more styles available after that, including 92mm and 101mm wheel with a 70mm hub. These babies roll over anything in the street but aren't anything like a slow rubber, treaded or pneumatic (air filled) tire that only work well on a slow or wet or off-road condition.

After that more general purpose longboard wheels and smaller downhill and slalom race wheels.

 
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Chaput wheels
On 3/20/2001 Leo wrote in from (146.18.nnn.nnn)

Hey Guru, you know what you want...you just described the perfect wheel and it seems that you are in your quest to find i...pls let me know when are they going to be available, how much will they cost and where are going to be sold?

leo

 
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As good as it gets?
On 3/19/2001 Chris Chaput wrote in from (63.168.nnn.nnn)

Mike, Although I think that the best is still yet to come, one of the wheels that I'm making is a 74mm center-set wheel in a variety of formulas and durometers. You don't have to sacrifice traction to get speed when you get the design and formula work to help one another. I have a number of larger wheels for downhill, streetluge racing and supersized longboarding but the next generation of wheels will have a smaller hub and wheel diameters from about 62mm to 76mm. These will include great all around longboarding wheels as well as slalom and downhill racing wheels. Some harder formulas for sliding will also be available soon.

Everyone has his own likes and dislikes regarding wheels. I personally like a wheel to be fast, have great traction yet slide and recover well, have large, stiff hubs to avoid bending in turns. They have to fit on a standard truck's available axle space, and provide long life with a predictable wear pattern which means that they have to be symmetrical. This way you can "rotate the tires" by reversing them and thereby avoid coning. I've used some wheels in racing that were toast after 3 runs. That's not exactly what I call cost efficient.

 
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Roughcuts Decks
On 1/12/2001 bobo the clown wrote in from (129.116.nnn.nnn)

Hey Chris, what is up with these decks you were making or whatever? Thanks.

 
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